vittywatt Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 so i just purchased red sparowes at the soundless dawn and when you pull it out of the sleve you can hear somethign that sounds like grit/sand. the record is pretty crazy looking looks like the bottom one: http://deadformat.net/images/vinyl/62_4296941410181.jpg is this normal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xfedaykinx Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 yeah, its normal. it has something to do with the process of pressing the swirl vinyl. most of them come out like that. you just have to brush it off with a carbon fiber brush and you should be good to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vittywatt Posted December 21, 2007 Author Share Posted December 21, 2007 a carbon fiber brush...ok thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhulud Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 you just have to brush it off with a carbon fiber brush and you should be good to go. OR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xfedaykinx Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 here is the response jeremy over at TRL gave for the dust on the Mono - Gone 3LP The powder is just dust particles from the pressing plant. It happens often when they change colors on the machine during the same run, especially on clear records. Just wipe it off with a vinyl record brush or a soft cloth. It'll come right off and will not affect the playthrough of the record. If anything, the record will sound better the more times you play it, as the dust clears out of the grooves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xfedaykinx Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 you just have to brush it off with a carbon fiber brush and you should be good to go. OR haha, you love that pic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhulud Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 Hells yeah...never gets old... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minty Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 yeah, its normal. it has something to do with the process of pressing the swirl vinyl. most of them come out like that. you just have to brush it off with a carbon fiber brush and you should be good to go. Could you explain how they do swirl vinyl? Never really knew how they do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vittywatt Posted December 21, 2007 Author Share Posted December 21, 2007 thanks, the question regarding how they make swirls...i've got no idea BUT there was an episode of How things work...that was all about vinyl pressing...i missed most of it though:( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xfedaykinx Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 here are the videos on youtube: i imagine the swirl is achieved by having a different color near the center of the wax before its stamped against the plate. i know the A/B inside out vinyl is achieved by having different color wax on either side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minty Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 here are the videos on youtube: i imagine the swirl is achieved by having a different color near the center of the wax before its stamped against the plate. i know the A/B inside out vinyl is achieved by having different color wax on either side. Yeah I thought that might be it. So the bottom half of the wax patty is one colour, and the other side is a different colour. And I guess splatter is done by putting a few different coloured pellets in the patty near the center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tre Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 yeah, its normal. it has something to do with the process of pressing the swirl vinyl. most of them come out like that. you just have to brush it off with a carbon fiber brush and you should be good to go. This is a common and slightly annoying side effect of producing the "HAZE" vinyl from GZ where most places are getting vinyl pressed now. Not entirely sure what it is, but it doesn't scratch, and it doesn't affect play. I have noticed that sometimes it leaves little specks on the labels, but aside from being annoying, it is pretty harmless... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skumbucket Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 this thread is redundant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xfedaykinx Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 this thread is redundant! quick! call the thread police!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xforlifex Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 I get that "sand" effect you're describing with pretty much everything that is pressed through Pirates Press. It does leave surface scratches with usually don't effect the sound quality but they DO most of the time effect resale value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tre Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 this thread is redundant! Though it may seem redundant, I was attempting to point out slight differences in terminology. The OP's Red Sparrows record, the lower one from his pic, is a "haze" It looks like this record here... This is the record where it is very common to have this gritty, sandy feel to them. It is from "something" in the manufacturing process in this specific color configuration. Swirl, also know as "a side / b side" or "inside / outside" or "two sided" depending on if you go thru Pirates Press, or Record Pressing, who both use the same plant in the Czech Republic, looks like this. In best cases, you have one side that is all one color, and the other side has the second color as well. Most of the time, it just looks "swirly" or "bursty" In the couple years we have been using them, we haven't had records come thru with noticeable grit that weren't "haze" records. Just throwing that out there. Even went into the back to check some of the swirly and splattery ones we just did. As far as it goes with affecting resale value.... just clean it. Should be fine. Also...what the hell is resale value? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
googlemyass Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 this thread is redundant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hickey Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 you just have to brush it off with a carbon fiber brush and you should be good to go. OR I've never seen that pic before. Juan, you made my day. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxmartinxx Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 This is a common and slightly annoying side effect of producing the "HAZE" vinyl from GZ where most places are getting vinyl pressed now. Not entirely sure what it is, but it doesn't scratch, and it doesn't affect play. I have noticed that sometimes it leaves little specks on the labels, but aside from being annoying, it is pretty harmless... You really need to clean a record with that gritty stuff on it before playing it. If you play it you're more likely to lodge that crap into the grooves making your record noisy. You'll also damage your stylus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xforlifex Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 this thread is redundant! Though it may seem redundant, I was attempting to point out slight differences in terminology. The OP's Red Sparrows record, the lower one from his pic, is a "haze" It looks like this record here... This is the record where it is very common to have this gritty, sandy feel to them. It is from "something" in the manufacturing process in this specific color configuration. Swirl, also know as "a side / b side" or "inside / outside" or "two sided" depending on if you go thru Pirates Press, or Record Pressing, who both use the same plant in the Czech Republic, looks like this. In best cases, you have one side that is all one color, and the other side has the second color as well. Most of the time, it just looks "swirly" or "bursty" In the couple years we have been using them, we haven't had records come thru with noticeable grit that weren't "haze" records. Just throwing that out there. Even went into the back to check some of the swirly and splattery ones we just did. As far as it goes with affecting resale value.... just clean it. Should be fine. Also...what the hell is resale value? Resale value being, some collectors don't want scratches all over their vinyl and would rather pay more for a copy that is clean insted of a copy that is scratched up a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tre Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 Though it may seem redundant, I was attempting to point out slight differences in terminology. The OP's Red Sparrows record, the lower one from his pic, is a "haze" It looks like this record here... This is the record where it is very common to have this gritty, sandy feel to them. It is from "something" in the manufacturing process in this specific color configuration. Swirl, also know as "a side / b side" or "inside / outside" or "two sided" depending on if you go thru Pirates Press, or Record Pressing, who both use the same plant in the Czech Republic, looks like this. In best cases, you have one side that is all one color, and the other side has the second color as well. Most of the time, it just looks "swirly" or "bursty" In the couple years we have been using them, we haven't had records come thru with noticeable grit that weren't "haze" records. Just throwing that out there. Even went into the back to check some of the swirly and splattery ones we just did. As far as it goes with affecting resale value.... just clean it. Should be fine. Also...what the hell is resale value? Resale value being, some collectors don't want scratches all over their vinyl and would rather pay more for a copy that is clean insted of a copy that is scratched up a bit. I was more kinda making a lil joke in regards to resale value, as I have never really been one into grading punk / hardcore vinyl in the way that comic collectors, etc, have done. I think that releasing records has actually made this worse, considering I see the condition that records get to us in... Our last records were actually left on our loading dock IN the snow...while it was snowing. I lol'd. The couple records that I have in my personal collection that have the gritty issue, I have just cleaned the vinyl, and replaced the paper sleeve. I haven't noticed any surface scratches, and certainly not anything has come thru with playing them. Records are fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xforlifex Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 Resale value being, some collectors don't want scratches all over their vinyl and would rather pay more for a copy that is clean insted of a copy that is scratched up a bit. I was more kinda making a lil joke in regards to resale value, as I have never really been one into grading punk / hardcore vinyl in the way that comic collectors, etc, have done. I think that releasing records has actually made this worse, considering I see the condition that records get to us in... Our last records were actually left on our loading dock IN the snow...while it was snowing. I lol'd. The couple records that I have in my personal collection that have the gritty issue, I have just cleaned the vinyl, and replaced the paper sleeve. I haven't noticed any surface scratches, and certainly not anything has come thru with playing them. Records are fun. I do the same thing with my records. Infact all pirates press stuff I always change the paper sleeves. I think the "sand" settels in the bottom of those sleeves during shipping. At least that is what I've found. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinylme Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 I think all pirates press records come gritty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chassit Posted December 26, 2007 Share Posted December 26, 2007 Sand is what you get for pressing records outside the US. Who doesn't love grit n shit on their vinyl/needle?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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