scottheisel Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 For those who don't know what the Makoto split series was, this guy named Joel Wick (the same guy who used to put on Michigan Fest) ran a label called Makoto Recordings, and in the spring of 2001 he announced plans for as 12-record split 7" series to be released two at a time every other month. The cost was $55 to subscribe, and the following bands were to take part: small brown bike. cursive. lovesick. aloha. dead teenagers. sweep the leg johnny. ted leo. radio 4. berwer. trocar. tight bro's from way back when. oxes. inside five minutes. 90 day men. the casket lottery. the good life. monoglot. haymarket riot. crush kill destroy. the honor system. the mercury program. q and not u. the eternals and more... Each record was limited to 2,000 copies with really nice packaging and hand-numbered for subscribers only, and subscribers would also get a bonus 7" at the end of the whole thing. After months and months of delays (and zero updates), only four records ended up coming out: Vol. 1: Small Brown Bike/Cursive Vol. 2: Lovesick/Aloha Vol. 3: Sweep The Leg Johnny/Haymarket Riot Vol. 4: Tight Bros From Way Back When/Inside Five Minutes After Vols. 3 and 4 showed up, there was absolutely no new information ever made available from the label's website. Then sometime between October 2003 and April 2004, the label's website vanished, and presumably, so did Joel. My question is this: Does anyone out there know what happened to the guy? And to a lesser extent, the other 8 installments of this series? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronniethebear Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 I used to own the first volume, but I think I sold or traded it to someone on here when I first joined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrick Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 I have the first volume. I also remember reading the ads for it way back when, and thinking that $55 was too much for it. Joel was also in Jihad and some other band.....I want to say Keleton DMD but I know that isn't right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steventangent Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 I have the first volume. What the hell, dude just kept the money and didn't put anything else out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottheisel Posted January 26, 2008 Author Share Posted January 26, 2008 I have the first volume. What the hell, dude just kept the money and didn't put anything else out? Basically. Although I heard he was having health issues. I don't know how true that is, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinyljunkie Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 not sure what the post of the question is.......the dude ripped everyone off, and still ocassionally sells stuff on ebay. everyone knows the dude is a rip off, and no one really seems to ever do anything about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xjustinxschwierx Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 i have the Sweep / Haymarket split. fucking great covering Synchronicity 1 & 2 (though I found out later that the Haymarket Riot side is slowed down somehow and the real speed version is on the Euro press of the Bloodshot Eyes CD...i can email the mp3 if you'd like) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottheisel Posted January 26, 2008 Author Share Posted January 26, 2008 not sure what the post of the question is.......the dude ripped everyone off, and still ocassionally sells stuff on ebay. everyone knows the dude is a rip off, and no one really seems to ever do anything about it. He does? Do you know his username? I'd love to track him down, even only to see if he has the audio from those unfinished 7"s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefan Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 Search for Makoto on VLV, plenty of people (myself included) were bamboozled. I gave up on getting $$$ back a long time ago though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dietrootbeer Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 all i know is these releases all looked really nice. i liked all the artwork/vinyl matching. the only one i have is the sbb/cursive split (un-numbered) i wouldnt mind having the numbered one and the rest of the ones that were released... if i remember correctly they usually go for a pretty good amount on the bay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinyljunkie Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 you can just get a silver pen and put a number on it. its not like there is anything special or different about the numbered ones. also i dont think most of the later planned splits ever got recorded, and/or the bands ended up using them for other releases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christopherods Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 if i am not mistaken he changed the name of his label at some point to makoto. i do recall someone telling me that he used to run a distro or label and ripped a bunch of people off. he took that down and started up makoto. i could be wrong....i dont know the guy, its just something i heard a long long time ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dietrootbeer Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 you can just get a silver pen and put a number on it. its not like there is anything special or different about the numbered ones. also i dont think most of the later planned splits ever got recorded, and/or the bands ended up using them for other releases. yah cause that makes sense, let me just go ahead and number every record i have in that case. anyone want an Alkaline Trio Goddamnit LP #12/1,000?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinyljunkie Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 no im not saying that. i was just saying that with a lot of numbered releases there is something different, art, or even just a line on the back cover that has a spot for the number, or its stamped or something. these were just written randomly with a silver pen at some random spot. nothing different. which is a bummer, cause it meant there really was no reason to pay all up front and wait for them all to show up, since you could have gotten the exact same version cheaply in a store. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxmartinxx Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 Might as well make that number 1 of 1000. Why start at 12. You're just underselling yourself! On an unrelated "Wow... where's my fucking money" note. 8 years ago I sent $40 to Pushead to join the Phase San (or 3) of his "fan club" which was supposed to include 4 or 8 records (I can't remember anymore) as well as bonus stuff. I never received a single record from it. I've mailed Pushead many times over the years to find out what's going on with it and he just says "it's on hiatus", which near as I can tell means "I stole your money". I guess I have a bunch of page long hand written letters from Pushead, which in 50 years may be worth a mint. But right now I'm out $40! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinyljunkie Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 tons of "singles series" or whatever have ended up in fiascos. blood of the young is another one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebaroness Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 we all got rooted...same thing happened with the infamous Blood of the Young Records 'fan club' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xjustinxschwierx Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 what was the deal with Blood of the Young? i never heard about that collapse...what happened? what was the deal with the 7" series(who was going to be on it, etc...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottheisel Posted June 2, 2014 Author Share Posted June 2, 2014 Bump from the dead because I interviewed Sean from Thoughts Of Ionesco last week and we talked about this (TOI put out records on Makoto). He said he hadn't thought about Joel in years and years, then all of the sudden dude hit him up on LinkedIn, of all things. I told him to ask Joel for my money back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepunkguy Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Bump from the dead because I interviewed Sean from Thoughts Of Ionesco last week and we talked about this (TOI put out records on Makoto). He said he hadn't thought about Joel in years and years, then all of the sudden dude hit him up on LinkedIn, of all things. I told him to ask Joel for my money back! since I am relatively new to this forum (last year) I never saw this original posting but I also subscribed to this and still own all 4 of these. I had always wondered what had happened.. I also bought other releases from Makoto too. I would have rather had the records then my money back! they looked amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottheisel Posted June 2, 2014 Author Share Posted June 2, 2014 since I am relatively new to this forum (last year) I never saw this original posting but I also subscribed to this and still own all 4 of these. I had always wondered what had happened.. I also bought other releases from Makoto too. I would have rather had the records then my money back! they looked amazing. Seriously. That lineup STILL makes my mouth water: Ted Leo, Radio 4, the Good Life, the Honor System... So much good shit that never saw the light of day. thepunkguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepunkguy Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Seriously. That lineup STILL makes my mouth water: Ted Leo, Radio 4, the Good Life, the Honor System... So much good shit that never saw the light of day. I know!!! loved me some radio 4 and ted. oh well.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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