thebaroness Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 I'm kinda on the fence with this issue. On one hand, it's annoying sometimes to have paid for a record that you're not going to receive for another 4+ months (and not pre-ordering isn't an option, because many versions sell out well before the street date), but at the same time I'm antsy and like to know that I've secured myself a copy of a record, e.g. I wish DW would put the new Doomriders up for sale already, even though it's release date is not until the end of September. I just want to know I've got it. IMO, pre-orders + simultaneous downloads = the ultimate solution (for consumers, not necessarily for labels) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadetapplesauce Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 i don't really care, because i stopped buying records so often. preorders aren't that bad, because i can wait. hell, i hold off on listening to some records that i really anticipated because i wanted to hear it on vinyl first (i did this with shook ones, broadway calls, new found glory), even if that means i get it after the street date. whatever, doesn't matter. that's the nature of the beast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefan Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 It doesn't really bother me, but over the past year I've tried to make a habit of only preordering from labels that I trust to have at least the tests approved and I prefer labels that don't post a preorder until they get a shipping notice from the plant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ijux Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 yeah I've got 6-8 pre-orders I'm currently waiting on right now. And I'm still waiting for Thrice vinyl, Russian Circles, Pelican, and Junius to go up. Fucking take that, bank account. haha great taste there man! add converge, doomriders, polar bear club, baroness, (hopefully) oceansize pre-orders in the somewhat near future as well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ijux Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 on another note, props to bridge9 when it comes to pre-orders, those dudes always seem to have them at their own warehouse when they put the pre-orders up, normally close to the street date! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hickey Posted August 21, 2009 Author Share Posted August 21, 2009 on another note, props to bridge9 when it comes to pre-orders, those dudes always seem to have them at their own warehouse when they put the pre-orders up, normally close to the street date! That's what I like about Fat Wreck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedavidescapeplan Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 Asian Man only seems to post pre-orders once things are in, or when they know they are coming in. the major exception to this was "Scrambles," but that was because of the whole decoder thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xjustinxschwierx Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 yeah with the exception of the Capital LP nightmares I don't really do that either...I can't fault labels for putting them up earlier, I just won't do that. ...then again my label is an expensive hobby and I have a day job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monk0nuggets Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 This is an issue I've thought about with my label as well. I'd like to just wait to do pre orders until I have them in hand, but the truth is, it just hasn't been possible yet for me. All the cash I pull in from pre orders goes straight into production costs for the record, which makes the record come out way sooner than if I didn't do pre orders. From a consumer point of view, I'm with Flood. I actually really like the potential random package I had forgotten about showing up on my doorstep. I've become completely used to waiting and have now problem doing so. A perfect example is the Thrice box set. Preordered when it went up, waited months and months, almost forgot about it, it finally shows up and is totally worth the wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salaho Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 I certainly don't like pre-orders where you pay for something and then wait months for anything to happen!! I'm sorry if it makes sound like an impatient.........but when I pay for something I'd quite like to see some return pretty quickly, it's hard enough sometimes waiting 10-12 days for international shipping, but over 100 days (OWTH/Lemuria 7") is not acceptable in my opinion!!!! In my store I won't post anything until I have it in hand, but I post messages of what's due so people know what to expect! if they then decide to order it from another distro (and pay) on a pre-order then that's up to them I'm afraid. Isn't there a way where if you need to do pre-orders to guarantee sales of something or whatever reason, but you don't actually take the money until it's in hand, that would encourage me to put my name down for something!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hickey Posted December 17, 2009 Author Share Posted December 17, 2009 I wanted to bump this, because it seemed like the insane pre-orders died down for a little, but are starting back up again. We're getting announcements in December for records that don't come out until April and pre-orders that don't start until February. We're getting pre-pre-order notifications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynamitekid Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 yea, especially with what happened to the Brand New record. There was a pre order...it was cancelled then the pre order was re announced. Thats a headache for merchants and distros. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xjustinxschwierx Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 no pre-orders until everything is at my fingertips is the way to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hickey Posted December 17, 2009 Author Share Posted December 17, 2009 no pre-orders until everything is at my fingertips is the way to do it. Yup. And I applaud you for doing it that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whenslunchrecords Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 no pre-orders until everything is at my fingertips is the way to do it. same here, got burnt to many times as a consumer, i dont wanna do things to people that piss me off, our first release was paid for by months of saving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casey Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 I never got why anyone would pay for a record that not only wasn't in the distributor's hands, but did not exist in any form at all. That's like going to your weed man's house and being like, "here's the money for an eighth, but I'm just going to stick around while you run that money to the grower's, let them buy some seeds with it, and take six months or so to get the crop tended. I realize that the plants might die or any number of people involved could fuck it up somehow, but it's totally cool because the green w/ red hairs variant is going to look siiiick." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headtowall Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 i understand why labels do it, i really don't mind it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Hundred Fifty-Two Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 I never got why anyone would pay for a record that not only wasn't in the distributor's hands, but did not exist in any form at all. That's like going to your weed man's house and being like, "here's the money for an eighth, but I'm just going to stick around while you run that money to the grower's, let them buy some seeds with it, and take six months or so to get the crop tended. I realize that the plants might die or any number of people involved could fuck it up somehow, but it's totally cool because the green w/ red hairs variant is going to look siiiick." But say there were only 500 seeds in existence, wouldn't you try to get them before someone buys 10 of them and then sells those seeds for triple what you could have originally bought them for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 a big problem that could arise with putting up pre-orders 2 or 3 months ahead of the expected release date is in the worst case scenario is you get a shady label and they never send you the record, if you paid through paypal it would most likely be well past the window to file a paypal claim and you wouldn't be able to get a refund very easily if at all. i know why labels and distros put things up for pre-order, but i still think there should be some kind of maximize amount of time you could put things up for sale ahead of the release date. i think 1 month should be the max. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casey Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Just so we're straight on the analogy here, records = smokable product; seeds are roughly = petroleum that's used to make raw vinyl that's then pressed into records. My point is that it's a long road from seeds to a sack of herb. If you were after seeds, then yeah, buy 'em up. But there are too many variables to throw your money into a product that may or may not come into fruition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hickey Posted December 17, 2009 Author Share Posted December 17, 2009 Or the project could just stall and you're left waiting. Look at that Mock Orange thread stickied here. That pre-order went up in fucking March. It's now December and the record isn't pressed yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whenslunchrecords Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 I never got why anyone would pay for a record that not only wasn't in the distributor's hands, but did not exist in any form at all. That's like going to your weed man's house and being like, "here's the money for an eighth, but I'm just going to stick around while you run that money to the grower's, let them buy some seeds with it, and take six months or so to get the crop tended. I realize that the plants might die or any number of people involved could fuck it up somehow, but it's totally cool because the green w/ red hairs variant is going to look siiiick." post of the year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casey Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 For the record, I'm all for pre-orders for the exact reason you mean, tellallyourfriends, but labels shouldn't sell something that doesn't exist. People that front money for a hypothetical product are called venture capitalists and they get a percentage of the profits/company share not one unit of the product sold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 that's why gas prices went through the roof and are still on the high side, venture capitalists. people aren't buying the oil, they're buying the price and pure speculation that it will go up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aarondanger Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 No one wants a record to take as long as it does. I personally don't like posting pre orders till I have test pressings in hand. We don't do package deals with"bigger" pressing plants for this reason. That way if something happens with one thing it doesn't delay the whole record. I try to ship in the order people order and offer cool incentives ther than color vinyl for pre orders. I honestly appreciate peoples help with pre orders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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