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No protest is pointless senor cynical. Be the change you want to see in the World.

And those who shop at groceries buying food not in season, not organic, or not locally grown are as complicit, if not more, than groceries themselves. Groceries stock what people want. If people demand local and organic or at least local, or move to co-ops that have local and organic groceries aren't going to change.

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And those who shop at groceries buying food not in season, not organic, or not locally grown are as complicit, if not more, than groceries themselves. Groceries stock what people want. If people demand local and organic or at least local, or move to co-ops that have local and organic groceries aren't going to change.

organic food is total bullshit, a waste of money for an inferior product. Bullshit did an episode on the subject this season and it was pretty informative.

also, speaking of groceries and crops, quite interesting article a few weeks back in the Sunday PPG:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09256/997397-109.stm

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I hate these people. They're smashing up mom and pop shops. They broke all of the windows at one of my company's banks. A brand new branch at that.

What a waste of money these protesters are causing.

No one even wants to listen to them now.

Check out this blog post I read, they're saying they destroyed property out of defense:

"There was property damage today, but it was either defensive or immediately quashed by the protesters themselves. A sound and gas attack by police resulted in the overturning of some dumpsters - a futile symbolic act of self-defense not the justification for repression that ... Read Morethe mainstream media has reported. Rocks in BMW and Boston Chicken stores were the frustrated outcome of a crowd whose right to assemble had been forcefully revoked. A small band of protesters went further, by smashing ATMs, but they were quickly persuaded against continuing by march organizers themselves"

http://socialistwebzine.blogspot.com/

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And those who shop at groceries buying food not in season, not organic, or not locally grown are as complicit, if not more, than groceries themselves. Groceries stock what people want. If people demand local and organic or at least local, or move to co-ops that have local and organic groceries aren't going to change.

organic food is total bullshit, a waste of money for an inferior product. Bullshit did an episode on the subject this season and it was pretty informative.

also, speaking of groceries and crops, quite interesting article a few weeks back in the Sunday PPG:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09256/997397-109.stm

I never said anything about health. My argument lay totally in the environmental impact. Less pesticides are a good thing. And calling the product inferior is just totally ridiculous. Organic produce is at the least equally as good as pesticide drenched produce. I know, I eat organic as often as possible. Do you have? Have you? Or do you just regurgitate everything random shows tell you?

No protest is pointless senor cynical. Be the change you want to see in the World.

yeah, okay.

You may like hockey and seem like a good dude but that's just total apathetic crap. I mean fuck, lets just all sit around, cynical wanting things to be different and doing nothing about it. Protesters who break shit are just meatheads who have violent desires and are looking for an outlet. They do not encompass the whole of who people who protest are. But that's fine, just don't complain or mention anything being bad at all since you clearly don't give two shits or at the very least won't do anything about it.

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I hate these people. They're smashing up mom and pop shops. They broke all of the windows at one of my company's banks. A brand new branch at that.

What a waste of money these protesters are causing.

No one even wants to listen to them now.

I think it's important to keep sight of the fact that there is no reason for a few overzealous protesters to discredit the thousands of others there who are peacefully expressing their anger with the current system. And as the blog you link to points out, it's often the protesters themselves who dissaude others from the more extreme measures and prevent things from escalating too much.

And while I don't necessarily approve of it, I can understand the frustration of meeting police resistance for simply trying to peacefully assemble/protest (because god forbid you didn't stick to the designated 'protest zones') and feeling that, in the heat of the moment, a rock through a corporate shop is a good idea. Who hasn't done stupid shit when they were frustrated? I'm not going to deny that some protesters likely went with the specific intention of causing damage regardless of what happened, but it's a pretty small minority. And is minor property damage really something to get that annoyed and indignant over?

Also, the "waste of money that these protesters are causing" that you mention is actually good for the economy. It's part of the whole perverse economic system that's being protested (and there's indeed a certain irony there) - damage and destruction are good for the GDP (our measure of 'progress') because the GDP counts work that results from repairing harm. So the resulting clean up and repairs following property damage results in increased economic activity and thus boosts the GDP.

I really don't get why people here are so cynical towards protests. Even if you don't like some of the methods, at least try to get a more rounded picture of what's going on instead of focusing on the few bad apples.

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You may like hockey and seem like a good dude but that's just total apathetic crap. I mean fuck, lets just all sit around, cynical wanting things to be different and doing nothing about it. Protesters who break shit are just meatheads who have violent desires and are looking for an outlet. They do not encompass the whole of who people who protest are. But that's fine, just don't complain or mention anything being bad at all since you clearly don't give two shits or at the very least won't do anything about it.

the protests that are pointless are the ones the "anarchists" are doing. I should have clarified that in my post above. i'm all for peaceful protests, hell, I work for peace activists from northern ireland. I have zero tolerance and no sympathy for protestors who get pissed off and become violent because of their inability to understand the reason the police push them back from the phipps conservatory. And you know what? the peaceful protests that I would support if I knew anything about them are getting zero coverage from the media because of the "anarchist" protests and destruction. so the whole point of protesting outside the convention center (to be put in the spotlight of the international media) is completely void for the peaceful groups because of the assholes who are running around smashing windows of banks and local businesses are taking the cameras and news time away from them. I live in Pittsburgh, I stayed home yesterday and watched the local coverage and they didn't even go near the peaceful groups, they stuck around with the "anarchists" all day, giving them the spotlight for a message that more than half of them probably don't even know of.

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I've got nothing wrong w/ protests. But these people who damaged property ruined EVERYTHING. I understand some of this stuff, but your average person aka, just about everyone you talk to thinks they're nothing but stinky hippies. No one knows what these people are even protesting about. If it would have been all peaceful maybe their reasons would have been covered, instead we hear about the damage and what not.

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yeah this is the reason I stopped going to protests...

because it always devolves into chaos due to the retarded "anarchist" kids who usually have their parents lawyer on speed dial in the event of legal action.

People don't get it whether it's this or KKK rallies or whatever...if it devolves into violence then the new reports it as "civilized economics meeting/KKK parade/whatever interrupted by violent protesters".

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