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lol what? really? What early Pelican? They had keyboards? I never liked Pelican because it was all riffs and no atmosphere to me but if you can point me elsewhere I'd be super grateful. To me, TNBD sounds more like Isis and Tool with splashes of like, Maserati or SMW.

Finally got through this. It's definitely very good, and very well-done, but i struggle to remember many parts. It kind of blends together for me. The screams feel out of place, which is weird. The tones are good, and George sounds good though. I like the riffs, it's all very dreamy and post-rock but i don't really recall any distinct riffs after one play through.

So who got what copies? Curious what ones sound good. Can't believe black sold out!

you fucking buy the record and you enjoy it because you will and Arrows is one of the greatest songs ever. Yawning is probably my other favorite. So good. Don't skip Realms either, their first album. A bit more soft and shoegaze than the metal/heavy direction they start into with Death Spells.

Just saying man, you can maximize your purchase that way and then get points that go towards more free shipping. Sorry for trying to help.

black for only $30 man! Pelagic has been increasing the prices for colored variants for a couple years now. Free shipping at $100 from A Thousand Arms so here's 4 other things you should get that they have: Of the Vine - East the Water A River Crossing - Forsaken Meniscus - Refractions Winter Dust - Autumn Years

Burning Day is my least favorite of theirs because they went hard into the heavier side, and those songs are better live too. I got to see Dissention a few years before they recorded it, and the loop jam at the end was a bit longer I think and it built so impressively. I wish I had a tape of that show. It was incredible. We're talking maybe 2016, 2017. Long time ago. The new stuff sort of bridges the gap, I think. They like the heavy stuff now, but they kept some of the old twinkly stuff. I bought every variant to keep my Shy, Low collection complete. :::crazy:::

dude. Oh man.

After listening to "In Blur", my feeling is that Deafheaven is generic now. The thing that made them stand out and really fucking cool was that they put the blastbeats and black metal vocals over the bright, major key pretty parts. Now they're just another shoegaze band. It's not bad, it's just forgettable. I wanted so badly for the blast beats and screaming to come in at the end of In Blur to push it to the top, and it just doesn't happen. Feels like wasted momentum. I totally get the wanting to change thing and getting sick of doing the same thing, but what made them so unique was their "Fuck it" attitude of "Fuck you, basement Darkthrone and Mgla purists, we're gonna put shoegaze and 90's rock over your blast beats" but now they've just gone and become another band in a sea of shoegaze bands. The only thing remarkable is the style shift from their previous work. Nothing stood out, I can't recall as single part of any of the songs right now. Like I said, it's not bad.... it's good, actually. Well done, but not memorable. ::Shrug::

Haha right on. Brains sure are weird, I couldn't disagree more about the clumsy feeling. Perhaps you are right about the new album being where they wanted to go; there's no way to tell. Although the existence of Black Brick from the OCHL sessions leads me to believe otherwise I guess?

Well this sounds great, thanks for the information. I'll have to spin my 2 original copies on my new table, i haven't yet. I have a 3rd press black 2005 black and a 2007 clear with green splatter. I don't remember what i prefer. Would you say that i'm likely to be safe if i go for a 3rd press via TNO? When I recoup some of my recent expenses I'll be submitting offers; lotta dudes in Greece asking silly money. But I'm willing to pay $100 for sure.

haha yeah sure man. They're all cool. Go say hi and make them feel like rock stars.

Any hardcore Envy fans care to solve a mystery? Their live stream features a few songs I can't place, and their setlist they posted seems incomplete. I will have a rip of it tomorrow. I'm pretty sure they're playing brand new songs to end the set and during the encore.

Right on, that's why I like the original mix/master. The 2014 remaster took everything and separated them and cleaned them up way, way too much. Sure, it's much more dimensional and spacious but it lost the dense, living, organic feeling that made this album so great.

not sure but I'd guess the Phoenix one.

I mean, they may very well still sound different due to a better lacquer cut. That can make a big, big difference.

Scattered is a great word, that's what I was trying to convey. I know the feeling well, from my own drug use past. I can relate to it, and I feel that's why I can see through the NB writing a little bit into what it was like to be in their shoes. It's not a fun place, and I'm forever grateful to be well beyond that bullshit. I suppose I can understand the transitional sentiment, but i love the experimentation and having George screaming over the happy parts. I think what solidifies it for me is that the melodies are solid. The writing is solid, hooky, and delivers. They got REALLY good at writing chord progressions. I also play in a psychedelic jam rock band, so perhaps I can attach myself to the traditional chord changes they use in the alt-rock sections. Yeah i'm gonna throw it on again soon, it's funny how sometimes my perspective shifts on an album when I give it a lot of time to grow. For instance, I had a *BIG* problem with the latest Spurv record. I didn't like it. I wanted Skarntyde again. Same with the last 2 PG.Lost records. The style shifts bugged me, because I couldn't really connect the development in any way to previous releases. I imagine this is how Opeth fans feel now. I'm glad i stepped off that train when I was young. I got to see them a few times from 2002-2004 when they were at their peak, and it was wonderful. But I threw "Myra" on in the car a few weeks ago, and I suddenly could hear where they were harkening back to the old sound, and I appreciated it a lot more. It's good. I prefer their first 2 albums still over Myra, but I was unduly harsh I think. Not sure I'll ever feel that way about Versus and Oscillate with PG.Lost though haha, Yes I Am through Key is just.... too good. Anyway, Deafheaven is a good band and I'm glad we have the opportunity to keep talking about them here

You need to get super high and listen to Honeycomb again dude! That ending! New Bermuda suffers from the place the band was in when it was made. Drugs, alcohol, and general darkness... i feel the cloudy arrangements when I listen to those tracks, and think about it from a musician's standpoint. When I hear OCHL, i hear well-adjusted professional adults killing it at their job, which is to make Deafheaven music. New Bermuda to me sounds like a bunch of kids who write great music but are trapped by addictions and couldn't narrow the focus enough to really make the ideas hit home. That said, Gifts for the Earth has possibly the greatest Deafheaven riff ever when that chorus hits. NB has TONS of great ideas, but if they were in a healthier place, I think they would have been able to really shore up something brilliant there. It's still a great album, no question. Nothing they've ever done is BAD. But i give it like, a 89 when everything else is like 97-98 out of 100.

This is a valid theory. I just spun OCHL yesterday on the new system for the first time (Rega Planar 6 with Hana EL cart > Mofi Ultraphono > Yamaha RX-V573 > KEF Q550's) and holy mother fuck. This music is god damn incredible. I even liked the Chelsea Wolfe track this time! The writing is just so impressive. Glint and Honeycomb are the big standouts. Those tracks fuck so hard. To me, this album is Deafheaven just being REALLY AWESOME at being Deafheaven. But i guess if you're like, a Marduk or Mgla or Drowning the Light guy, you're not going to accept the major chords and Oasis parts. Too pretty. Which, I suppose is legit. I know lots of people love Pelican, but their music does literally nothing for me. Same with Russian Circles. It's not bad, I just don't get it. Nobody this big is bad. That's an immature, high school attitude. What don't you like about OCHL? I'm genuinely very curious.

I was up front about it, but the dude didn't care. He wanted it. And yeah if you check discogs, Robotic Empire used the creepy person photo for the 1st USA press, while Trust No One used the sky image for the first press in Europe. USA CD's had the sky image though through Ipecac. I wish they'd told us its the same remaster files though, especially given that Panopticon's original analog master tapes were stolen/lost, so we can never get an original remix or anything. Hopefully the new lacquers mean they sound better. I have the 2014 remaster, and people are asking... a lot haha. I do like having both versions of an album, if it's remastered so I may have to pony up and buy an OG again. That off-center shit was maddening though.

Right on, thanks man! Do you have a personal favorite?

Word yeah I didn't even know there was a different cover than the sky, because when it came out that's the only cover I ever saw. The ominous one is also original, they seem to have been used concurrently in different markets upon release. I do believe both of my copies were super glossy. I sold my OG 1st press black last year because it was pressed off-center and drove me fucking crazy with the pitch rising and falling. Some dude in Australia gave me $150 or so for it, so I said sure!

Spun my copy last week, it sounds badass. Ryan has confirmed to me that this is indeed the same remaster as the Triple Crown edition. The plant just kind of made them, and didn't inform the band or the label. Evan and Alex work at Zia Records and even saw them in the store haha. He says Mike Kalajian did the justice that Holy Roar kind of fucked them on. He's a mastering engineer, and responsible for the new cuts.

***UPDATE*** I just heard back from Aaron Harris. These are NOT new remasters. They are both the remasters from 2014, just new lacquers being cut. His quote is as follows: "It's the remastered version from a few years ago but we had new lacquers cut by Matt Colton" No i got that, i was addressing what seemed to be your unfamiliarity with this blue sky-shot cover.

hey man, Don speaks highly of your Isis collection. I prefer the original Oceanic mix, before the remaster. Is there a specific copy you would suggest picking up that sounds the best? I have a couple old ones, like the Level Playing Field clear/green splatter, and some OG black (donno what press run). But i'm definitely after a clean, original master and have no problems paying for it. Any thoughts?