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Added links to Levitation and Fuzz Club variants in original post...
Am I really the only one who cares about this?
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Black or Coke Bottle Clear/Red Clear vinyl 140g variants at The Black Angels website: https://mirrors.theblackangels.com/format/1056202-wilderness-of-mirrors
Black vinyl 140g from Partisan Records: https://store.partisanrecords.com/release/307612-the-black-angels-wilderness-of-mirrors
Clear w/ Red and Black Swirl 180g vinyl at Levitation website: https://levitation.fm/collections/vinyl/products/black-angels-wilderness-of-mirrors-levitation-edition
Opaque Blue/Red 140g vinyl at Fuzz Club: https://fuzzclub.com/collections/the-black-angels/products/the-black-angels-wilderness-of-mirrors
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2 minutes ago, jhulud said:
Finally got off my ass and booked my flight to Chicago for their show in a couple of weeks. Will I see any VCer's there?
You will see me there, brother.
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7 minutes ago, faaip de oiad said:
Maybe they read this thread
Power to the people!
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On 5/25/2022 at 8:14 AM, iwokeinrelief said:
Got my shipping notice from Acoustic Sounds last night 😬😂
OK so weird turn of events, when they sent me that cancellation notification, they suggested I wait to order the set until the item is listed as in stock to which I replied that I ordered BECAUSE I had just that day received the in stock notification from them. I never did get my refund it looks like and magically today I just got an email notification from them that my "order" is being shipped. So I guess they either kept me in the queue OR perhaps they cancelled someone else's order with what stock they had because I sort of pushed back. I'll never know which scenario is true or if its some other situation but I was fully expecting a refund and to need to order again next time I got a notification of stock.
Anyway, here I am awaiting delivery of a new one.
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52 minutes ago, iwokeinrelief said:
Got my shipping notice from Acoustic Sounds last night 😬😂
God damn it. Its abundantly clear these stores do not operate from any sort of chronological organization when it comes to orders and order cancellations. Enjoy it, my dude.
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Accidental post.
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Just now, timsimmons said:
More power to you my dude. I wish I had your optimism.
I appreciate that. More than simply optimism though, I think its a necessary principle of advocating for ones self in the situation wherein you pay for something and get fundamentally erroneous product or service. For the money, you should get what you pay for. Its that simple. I appreciate you.
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5 minutes ago, deftbarley said:
My friend. He's just saying you sound like that type of person. Not that it's the same thing.
I disagree. That insinuation completely obliterates all of the details of the issue and therefore is completely misguided. If I sound like that type of a person to him than he has bigger cognitive issues.
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7 minutes ago, timsimmons said:
IS anyone siding with them? I think if anything most of us are just pessimistic that you'll get what you're looking for. I don't think anyone is looking like a corporate bootlicker here.
But at some point there has to be a statute of limitations for a return/exchange/refund. And I get that a label should make good on flawed products, but the history of the vinyl records shows that stores can't even return product. So you've got an uphill battle.
But go for it. I'm sure people that still have an IGD positive copy would love to return it.
Siding may seem like a strong word but essentially, yes. That is the paradigm I'm referring to which I find to me an economically self-defeating paradigm that only makes the big guy stronger. Automatically insisting that the powerful party with the resources to correct THEIR mistake regardless of any possible statute of limitations (which I don't know how either side would argue what that statute of limitation should be for this specific situation either in favor of me or the label, to be honest) should be fully protected and coddled in the face of what would be a minuscule cost solution for them to rectify their error.
And that bolded part of your quote just further illustrates MY POINT that we should not allow a record label as big as Virgin to get away with not standing behind THEIR product.
Again, I don't think everyone here should believe I WILL get what I want. But I do believe that they SHOULD BE ON MY SIDE because of the mere fact that we face the same possibility of contending with a business entity that really ought to want to make it right but might not do so especially when it is well within their power to do so.
And for your final sentence: YES. Exactly. THAT is essentially the attitude that I believe every vinyl buying person SHOULD have. That is as simple of a point as I was trying to make.
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1 minute ago, SNEAKORDS said:
You sound like the type of person that eats 90% of their meal and the demands the manager comps the entire bill because it was the wrong order & you think that you're "sticking it to the restaurant" because they underpay their staff. If you said something from the start, hell, even a couple months after getting it and not being happy with is, sure, ask for a replacement or a refund, I totally support that. but waiting years for something better to come out and expecting it to get it for free is bullshit.
Its not free. The money was already paid and I have in no allegorical way consumed "90%" of the record set and then demanded a refund. That is not even close to what is being discussed here. I want a replacement for something that is fully in tact but erroneously built by a party that was paid for a product that isn't me. There is in no way only 10% of the original product left to return so again your analogies are absolutely irrelevant.
Nothing about my issues has an analog role to an underpaid staff. So your real issues is simply the amount of time it took me to take care of this problem? Which, by the way, the problem itself is not my fault. What if I was in a coma for 10 years. Would you grant me any leeway then? I wasn't but I'm just curious. The thing that is out now is not simply "better" it IS simply the accurately produced correct product that was promised in the first place but not delivered. There is no special feature added to the current product that wasn't available before. My copy of the product has a deficit. The new product corrects the deficit with NO extra special and previously unavailable components. Get it together. You're not even speaking in the same plane of existence. You just don't like how long it took for me to take initiative.
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14 minutes ago, deftbarley said:
In other words, you want to speak to the manager?
Would be funny if it actually worked but no. The manufacturer is typically not the manager. There is an actual chain and you have misidentified who fulfills what role.
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7 minutes ago, deftbarley said:
Wrong. You could have returned it. You've obviously never worked in retail. I have. Class solidarity brother.
The store should 100% stand behind delivering a quality product to the consumer. That's their business after all. If they get a return for a faulty product, they refund the customers money and then send the product back to the manufacturer.
You didn't return your faulty product when you had the chance. You're drawing a crazy wavy line of who should be responsible and who shouldn't. There's a system setup for cases like this and you didn't do anything at the time. It's your fault for keeping the product. Sometimes manufacturers/distributors will issue a recall program for faulty vinyl. Just happened with Green Day's Insomniac. They didn't do this for this release. Although it looks like some people that took proactive steps had theirs replaced. You did nothing proactive and you're just complaining. That's extra weird, dude.
I have absolute worked in retail. Class solidarity is a frame of mind, not a resume entry. You embody it in your ideological stances and personal ethics. Simply working in retail does not automatically grant you class solidarity. You could work in retail and still side with an abusive management system. You would definitely be lacking class solidarity in that case and still working in retail.
The store obviously cannot be expected to maintain stock of the item but I know the owner of the intellectual property of the music has ordered the manufacture of more copies of the product. So now that we've wasted time coming to the conclusion that the return to the vendor is out of the question or just less logical, I'm simply positing that its a good idea to contact the company responsible for the manufacturing of the product to attempt to get satisfaction. And you don't have to believe that they will do anything to help me but you should be operating from the perspective that they SHOULD provide me with a corrected product.
And actually, we don't know for certain that I no longer have "the chance." I'm just assuming I wouldn't trouble a small business with something that should be a walk in the park for the source of the product. But maybe I still can consult with the store for advice. I haven't done that yet. I know the stores are generally expected to "stand behind" or "guarantee" products but that is also an outdated and unduly troubling paradigm for the vendor. I have the capability of reflection and critical thought. If a store no longer carries a produce I have an issue with, I go to the manufacturer. Its very simple. Its not a "crazy wavy line" its pretty simple logic. Even if it was 2013 or 2014 right now I would think to contact the record label directly.
I'm literally not just complaining. I'm offering an idea for a solution after considering all of the hurdles that are up in the face of your incessant reliance on there being only ONE SOLE solution and no other possibilities whatsoever at all to protect the honor(?) of a record label being able to dismiss me outright. Truly weird, dude.
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12 minutes ago, deftbarley said:
The store should stand behind the products they sell. They would have accepted a return. Sounds like you're shirking responsibility.
The store is not responsible for the mistake and as an informed consumer, I know enough to be aware of that. The store would likely have no stock of the item and also foots the cost of replacement if i hold them specifically to account which I know not to do. If it's not their fault, they should not pay for it. It's not their fault.
Lol still fighting in favor of the party with all the resources who failed to meet their end of the transaction and clearly has the resources to rectify the problem.
That's extra weird, dude.
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40 minutes ago, deftbarley said:
Don't tell me what to do.
It was only a suggestion but if you're going to avoid doing something in your own best interest out of spite that's up to you.
43 minutes ago, deftbarley said:Return them ding dong.
The store is not responsible and I would never expect a brick and mortar vendor to take responsibility for what is clearly the fault of the manufacturer or company that ordered the manufacturing.
Plus it was a gift and I don't hold the receipt.
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2 hours ago, MCDELTAT said:
As the video points out at the end though, this might not be "corporate greed", but just a way for them to stop people buying records that they can't keep in press. Unfortunately, this does put the burden of keeping the industry alive on the backs of record stores. There are some titles in there I could perhaps care about, TBS, Thursday, pretty sure MCR was on UMG, so if new presses came along for any of those, I'd expect the higher price.
I've personally been trying to scale back as well. I'm in a good place right now, but a recession seems inevitable to me, especially in the tech industry that I work in.The recession has not stopped since 2008.
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Just now, deftbarley said:
REPLACE 👏 MY 👏 RECORDS 👏 THE 👏 CUSTOMER 👏 IS 👏 ALWAYS 👏 RIGHT
Yes. My erroneously manufactured records should be replaced by the company that sold the poor quality product at a high premium. Was that supposed to be sarcastic?
You should have more defense on the customer side than the big business side unless you yourself are a big business. Find some class solidarity.
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Just now, ntslash said:
You actually can do this at Nordstrom. No joke. They will take back anything for any reason at any time. Best customer service and return policy in the world.
It works for Nordstrom because it earns them lifelong customers and because the number of people who abuse the policy is very small. It wouldn't work for.a vinyl reseller, record label, or band.
Man, you were so close to proving my point until that end part. If a label is as big as Virgin or UMG or Atlantic, I don't see why you would say it wouldn't work when you already started from the Nordstrom paradigm. They have the resources.
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Just now, LS1BadBird said:
I love racing to this thread after seeing several notifications, thinking there's a new sale link that went live only to find a debate about Karens. 😆
Technically an old sale link went live for a few seconds at a time about 20 times.
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8 minutes ago, deftbarley said:
A Karen bows to no one good sir.
Or so she thinks...
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7 minutes ago, SNEAKORDS said:
Get real. You can't buy pants in 1972 and then return them to sears today because they're itchy (also not sure if sears still exists). Things have a finite warranty and it's ridiculous to think that any business could stay open if they just gave away new product if someone has a complaint and sat on it for a decade. You dropped the ball, the label owes you nothing. Stop being a karen.
I feel like a Karen is more of a bootlicker who bows to authority both legal and corporate. I'd say you're fulfilling that role much better than I am.
The company still exists and the product has been continuously or frequently manufactured in its current and corrected form. The span of time from 1972 until today is FAR greater than the span of December 2012 until today. The product exists. Its not pants. Pants are definitively considered to wear out at a rate far greater than that of a vinyl record with regular normal use. Also, itchy pants is not a relevant analogy to audio quality degradation from the manufacturer on a vinyl record, the sole purpose of which is to produce sound and produce it as pleasantly and accurately as possible. The pants in your analogy, I assume, would still cover my legs.
The reality is if there are corrected copies of 4 PVC discs to replace my terrible sounding copies, they should be honored. A paying customer should receive what they paid for. If a replacement exists and the label is sitting on a correct product which costs them a minuscule amount of money to produce, they ought to replace it.
I understand there was no implicit warranty on the records to begin with but when you consider the history of this product and how the label responded to the criticism of the botched mastering that was manufactured, I don't think its crazy to request a replacement EVEN 10 years later. Do I believe I will definitely get one? Not necessarily. Do I believe people like yourself and myself and every other consumer of massive scale productions should expect to be honored for their purchase by a large business? Yes. Do I believe consumers like us should demand satisfaction from a raw deal from a major corporate business who took our money and delivered garbage, even IF it was 10 years ago? Yes.
Do I think people who purchase expensive products which essentially amount to luxury items should operate from an ideology of pro-consumer expectations within their economy? Yes.
Do I find it utterly pathetic when a set of consumers with comparatively no power other than the purchasing power of their dollar and the choice of where to spend it IMMEDIATELY unconsciously sides with a large multi-million dollar company when the issue of a dispute regarding a malfunctioning product comes up?
YES. I. DO.
Breakdown: Its not so much that I believe that you should believe that the label will or should definitely agree to my request. Its that you should come to a discussion of this nature thinking that you are on the side of the consumer in the dichotomy of consumer vs corporation because you are also a consumer and have more in common from an economic and social class perspective with the consumer in question.
See?
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1 minute ago, iwokeinrelief said:
It was back up on the SP site; went back to sold out after about 15 seconds.
(The thing that annoys me is the delay between getting an order in from a retailer and then them going through and cancelling them; i passed on two different site's listings thinking I'd bought one already only to find out later i hadn't. I bought a copy yesterday from Acoustic Sounds *after* you posted it and have not received a cancellation email. So i have no idea if i'll get that email at some point in the future as they work through all the orders, or if I actually have one of these coming my way 🙃 )
GOOD. LORD.
I can't believe it was back yet again and then gone again. They have a 2 per customer limit on there. Honestly it really should be only 1 per customer at this point.
If you get that Acoustic Sounds one, I'm gonna shit myself. Intentionally. As a form of silent but stinky protest.
PO Now: The Black Angels - Wilderness of Mirrors 2xLP out 9-16-22 on Partisan Records
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I would definitely recommend checking out the rest of their material.
That's awesome that you've seen them so many times. I have yet to see them once. I was supposed to see them in February but those shows were canceled. My reschedule date is October 8th.
I'm incredibly jealous you've been able to hear it already. How did you make that happen? Your assessment worries me a little bit but based on the 8 or so tracks I've heard live from various YouTube videos and the two livestreams they've done in the last two years, I think I'm going to be at least content with the album. The version of "Witout A Trace" that they did at that Levitation Session on May 15th makes it seem like that song is worth the price of admission alone. That performance in particular made audible a ton of extra and beautiful sounding layers that are either lost in the cell phone mic recorded versions or perhaps were added to the live arrangement after the older crowd videos were recorded. I hope that is what the album version will sound like.