dante3000 Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hNw_VW9Dlp19RvvaxvSLo5TZRwSQD98SQ0606 The group People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals wants the flyswatter in chief to try taking a more humane attitude the next time he's bedeviled by a fly in the White House.PETA is sending President Barack Obama a Katcha Bug Humane Bug Catcher, a device that allows users to trap a house fly and then release it outside. Huh.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drabley Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hNw_VW9Dlp19RvvaxvSLo5TZRwSQD98SQ0606The group People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals wants the flyswatter in chief to try taking a more humane attitude the next time he's bedeviled by a fly in the White House.PETA is sending President Barack Obama a Katcha Bug Humane Bug Catcher, a device that allows users to trap a house fly and then release it outside. Huh.... I heard this on NPR this morning. I'm considering petitioning PETA to add parasites and harmful bacteria to their list of life forms that require assistance. They are, after all, alive and have every right to exist. Just like Obama's fly. Dousing them with chemicals in an attempt to irradicate them is cruel and inhumane. I'm sure the same bunch that are wasting their time with flies will jump at this cause. And hopefully they'll all die of dehydration from diarhea caused by a mild bacterial infection of the stomach. Save the whales -- fine. Get rid of the Michael Vicks of the world -- I'm on board. But flies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobinownlife Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 ...you mean flies...that live for 2 weeks....abuuuh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casey Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 Even though I'm a vegetarian, I absolutely loathe PETA's approach to things. They may as well stop taking medicine if every life is so sacred. And stop eating plants, for that matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgoodcore Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 You figure someone in there would chime in with "hey maybe we should focus on bigger things and not be such attention whores?" I guess not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intothewild Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 Hey lets stop driving cars to save all those little bugs from smashing on our windshields. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirbypuckett Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 Obama destroyed that fly on TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgoodcore Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 Fucking Kung Fu style too. I just saw the clip on the Daily Show and its quite impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanukichu Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 Even though I'm a vegetarian, I absolutely loathe PETA's approach to things. They may as well stop taking medicine if every life is so sacred. And stop eating plants, for that matter. Casey is inside my head. This is exactly what I was thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaime Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 wow, pretty ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante3000 Posted June 18, 2009 Author Share Posted June 18, 2009 Yeah, I gotta say, I never thought killing a fly could look badass until that moment. I'm not on of those Obama Fanatics, but that was awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kouka Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 "it's just a fly" is the same attitude as "it's just a _____ (insert whatever animal you are eating)". and comparing killing an insect that is not harming you to bacteria that can kill you is absurd. does this need to be news? of course not. but when I saw this on the news this morning (Fox news, as a matter of fact), they then followed it by saying PETA suggests using a contraption that gathers the insect unharmed. So for all the bad press PETA gets, they at least educated a lot of people that didn't know such a thing exists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante3000 Posted June 18, 2009 Author Share Posted June 18, 2009 "it's just a fly" is the same attitude as "it's just a _____ (insert whatever animal you are eating)". and comparing killing an insect that is not harming you to bacteria that can kill you is absurd.does this need to be news? of course not. but when I saw this on the news this morning (Fox news, as a matter of fact), they then followed it by saying PETA suggests using a contraption that gathers the insect unharmed. So for all the bad press PETA gets, they at least educated a lot of people that didn't know such a thing exists. True, flies certainly don't spread illness or diseases. Plus there are only like 40 billion of them on earth. Let's humanly round them up. Can't afford to waste a one of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgoodcore Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 "it's just a fly" is the same attitude as "it's just a _____ (insert whatever animal you are eating)". and comparing killing an insect that is not harming you to bacteria that can kill you is absurd.does this need to be news? of course not. but when I saw this on the news this morning (Fox news, as a matter of fact), they then followed it by saying PETA suggests using a contraption that gathers the insect unharmed. So for all the bad press PETA gets, they at least educated a lot of people that didn't know such a thing exists. Are you bored? That's slippery slope argument doesn't work when comparing a fly to a cow. I think we can all agree that's a vast, easily discernible difference between the two. PETA needs to focus on the bigger issues at hand and stop being media-whores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kouka Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 "it's just a fly" is the same attitude as "it's just a _____ (insert whatever animal you are eating)". and comparing killing an insect that is not harming you to bacteria that can kill you is absurd.does this need to be news? of course not. but when I saw this on the news this morning (Fox news, as a matter of fact), they then followed it by saying PETA suggests using a contraption that gathers the insect unharmed. So for all the bad press PETA gets, they at least educated a lot of people that didn't know such a thing exists. True, flies certainly don't spread illness or diseases. Plus there are only like 40 billion of them on earth. Let's humanly round them up. Can't afford to waste a one of them People never spread illness or diseases either... and what is the debate of "round them up" vs. "kill them"? There is a 3rd option, so I guess I'm missing your point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgoodcore Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 True, flies certainly don't spread illness or diseases. Plus there are only like 40 billion of them on earth. Let's humanly round them up. Can't afford to waste a one of them People never spread illness or diseases either... and what is the debate of "round them up" vs. "kill them"? There is a 3rd option, so I guess I'm missing your point. You know what dude, you're right, people shouldn't just be killing flies. However, worrying about this, making a fuss about it does two bad things for PETA which is more the point than whether Obama did something wrong: 1) Takes PETA's attention away from much higher priority issues 2) Makes PETA eevn more annoyed with PETA lowering their ability to be taken seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante3000 Posted June 18, 2009 Author Share Posted June 18, 2009 True, flies certainly don't spread illness or diseases. Plus there are only like 40 billion of them on earth. Let's humanly round them up. Can't afford to waste a one of them People never spread illness or diseases either... and what is the debate of "round them up" vs. "kill them"? There is a 3rd option, so I guess I'm missing your point. The "round them up" or "kill them" is really the difference between using a trap and simply swatting a fly in your house. So, I'm not sure what the third option is. Perhaps you befriend the fly and use a size altering ray to go on magical adventures. And my mention that flies spread illness and bacteria was to the point that you said you can't compare an insect that doesn't harm you to a bacteria that can kill you. Yes, you can compare them because one serves as a means of spreading the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murakami Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 science needs to do some reclassification within the animal kingdom and create a new one to put insects in - then PETA wont have a case. solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kouka Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 I hardly think releasing a press release is being a "media whore". I don't agree with a lot of their tactics, so maybe we can agree on that. I am simply arguing the point that a living being is a living being. There is a size difference between a fly and a cow, sure, so maybe that is your point. But (in my eyes) they both have the right to exist unscathed. And PETA is not taking attention from more important issues, that's 100% up to the "news" media. If you are truly looking for information on pressing issues, there are alternative sources besides the mainstream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante3000 Posted June 18, 2009 Author Share Posted June 18, 2009 I hardly think releasing a press release is being a "media whore". I don't agree with a lot of their tactics, so maybe we can agree on that. I am simply arguing the point that a living being is a living being. There is a size difference between a fly and a cow, sure, so maybe that is your point. But (in my eyes) they both have the right to exist unscathed. And PETA is not taking attention from more important issues, that's 100% up to the "news" media. If you are truly looking for information on pressing issues, there are alternative sources besides the mainstream. So if you had a choice to save a baby or a fly, you would be morally torn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kouka Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 o, I'm not sure what the third option is. Perhaps you befriend the fly and use a size altering ray to go on magical adventures. I guess there's 4 options then, the 4th being to leave them alone. I usually choose the 3rd (to befriend them and talk to them about vinylz), but if they are stuck up I just let them be. I'm still waiting for these supposed "magical adventures". let me know what you find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4m35 Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 humans are the disease and spread illness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kouka Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 So if you had a choice to save a baby or a fly, you would be morally torn? For real, you're going that route? if I HAD to kill one, I'd kill a fly. Since that decision be never forced upon me (unless it is a part of your "magical adventures", in which case, I respectfully decline), it's nonsense. And in this instance, the choice was to kill a fly or shoo him away. There were no babies involved that I was aware of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante3000 Posted June 18, 2009 Author Share Posted June 18, 2009 So if you had a choice to save a baby or a fly, you would be morally torn? For real, you're going that route? if I HAD to kill one, I'd kill a fly. Since that decision be never forced upon me (unless it is a part of your "magical adventures", in which case, I respectfully decline), it's nonsense. And in this instance, the choice was to kill a fly or shoo him away. There were no babies involved that I was aware of. You're the one who said "that a living being is a living being. There is a size difference between a fly and a cow, sure, so maybe that is your point. But (in my eyes) they both have the right to exist unscathed." You're also the one who said human beings spread illness and diseases when I mentioned it in regards to flies. So, twice you've equated humans to flies or placed size and intelligence as non-factors in an animals right to exist. I just wanted to see how far you were willing to carry out that logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kouka Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 For real, you're going that route? if I HAD to kill one, I'd kill a fly. Since that decision be never forced upon me (unless it is a part of your "magical adventures", in which case, I respectfully decline), it's nonsense. And in this instance, the choice was to kill a fly or shoo him away. There were no babies involved that I was aware of. You're the one who said "that a living being is a living being. There is a size difference between a fly and a cow, sure, so maybe that is your point. But (in my eyes) they both have the right to exist unscathed." You're also the one who said human beings spread illness and diseases when I mentioned it in regards to flies. So, twice you've equated humans to flies or placed size and intelligence as non-factors in an animals right to exist. I just wanted to see how far you were willing to carry out that logic. so you're saying that I am keeping my point with all animals being equal? then you sir, are correct. although I am for the rounding up/swatting of babies. I guess that's where i diverge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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