pjaicomo Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Just so long as we can all agree on one thing: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,584998,00.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartcat Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Darn tweens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonesomexloveus Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 hey, i saw paranormal activity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4m35 Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 epicurus never said that, lactantius did, and then hume extracted that quote from lactantius' worksget yr facts right fool But I believe in the quote, Lactantius is attributing those words to Epicurus. Lactantius, Teleology, and American Literature Eric Carl | The Midwest Quarterly | January 01, 2005 It doesn't really matter who said it, since the words themselves are the power. this could very well be true. most of epicurus's works have been lost in our modern time, but they would have still been extant in 300 AD or whatever. it just bugged me because epicurus is a greek, and a greeks' understanding of monotheism would have been very limited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjaicomo Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 But I believe in the quote, Lactantius is attributing those words to Epicurus. Lactantius, Teleology, and American Literature Eric Carl | The Midwest Quarterly | January 01, 2005 It doesn't really matter who said it, since the words themselves are the power. this could very well be true. most of epicurus's works have been lost in our modern time, but they would have still been extant in 300 AD or whatever. it just bugged me because epicurus is a greek, and a greeks' understanding of monotheism would have been very limited. That is certainly true. Who the hell could really ever know with certainty who said what 2 millennia ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokithelion Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 I'm too lazy to look through this thread, but has anyone posted this yet? A world without the freedom to do as we wish because of an invisible hand is slavery. The questions isn't is God incapable for doing so but would God have given free will if it had chosen too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themean Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Who the hell could really ever know with certainty who said what 2 millennia ago? Christians? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjaicomo Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Who the hell could really ever [think they] know with certainty who said what 2 millennia ago? Christians? There, now it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4m35 Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 i mean the earliest of the gospels, which is mark, was written like late 1st century AD. so who knows, they might have been on their shit at that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goraiders Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 http://atheistdelusion.cf.huffingtonpost.com/ if anyone hasn't seen this its really great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjaicomo Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 i mean the earliest of the gospels, which is mark, was written like late 1st century AD. so who knows, they might have been on their shit at that point. Even today 60 years does some serious damage to the veracity of word of mouth claims. Think of how bad it was before ballpoint pens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattstrike Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 A head's up: tomorrow's Fresh Air (NPR radio program w/ Terry Gross) will be discussing the identity of Jesus Christ. The Gospels are at odds with each other on important points about the life and death of Jesus. We talk with Bible scholar Bart Ehrman about these contradictions and what they tell us about the historical Jesus and the authors of the Gospels. His book Jesus Interrupted which just came out in paperback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentgods Posted March 12, 2010 Author Share Posted March 12, 2010 i wish there was a jesus going through puberty part of the bible. hey ladies, i'm the son of god. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xjustinxschwierx Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 discuss...I think it's quite good, albeit incomplete, summary myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4m35 Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 discuss...I think it's quite good, albeit incomplete, summary myself. it's inconceivably more complicated than that. i should preface this by saying that in no way am i religious or spiritual. i am a bar mitzvah'd jew, but currently i don't practice anything and don't particularly know what, or even that i believe in anything (at this point in my life) either. however, i find this shit engrossing. it's a pretty lame hobby. religion is so complex. it can't be reduced to a prayer, psalm, phrase, paragraph or even paper. it can't be completely explained in a book. it is organic and living. religion is malleable and workable. you should be able to decide what you believe without having to delineate it to anyone. that fact is so overlooked these days, it's such a bummer. religion is personal. if it isn't personal you aren't doing it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4m35 Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 about 3.5 billion muslims and christians disagree with me.......... and lol as a jew i'm minoring in theology at a catholic school Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjaicomo Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 you should be able to decide what you believe without having to delineate it to anyone. I am pretty sure every single person with religious beliefs does this. A la carte religion is basically the only way anyone takes it. People just take a religion and mold it into their personal god one way or another but somehow manage to rationalize still being a part of a particular sect (for obviously social reasons - understandably so when your whole family or group of friends will ostracize you if you reject the religion but keep the faith: see that Scientology article I posted earlier). But I agree, religion is more complex. Organized religion doesn't have that flexibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjaicomo Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 http://www.patheos.com/Resources/Additional-Resources/You-Will-Call-I-Will-Answer.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depletedresource Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 this thread is making me sad. It bums me out that so few of you know the true joy of Christ :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themean Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 I am going to assume that last post is a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayeffscene Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 Trollin' trollin' trollin' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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