axisrecapital Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Was looking to purchase one of these, but then I saw a video and it appears that every time you want to change from 33 to 45, you physically have to take the top off and move the belt from 33 to 45. Is this correct or am I missing something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allenh Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 On some yes which is true of a lot of this design of table. You can get a project speedbox though that controls the motor speed electronically and means you can switch the speeds easily and some of the Projects have this built in as standard. If going down the speedbox route make sure you get the right one as some Projects have different motors. The reason for this belt switching is cost and the excuse for it is that LP's are considered more HiFi than singles, some tables like the Linn LP12 only do 33 rpm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxmartinxx Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 The reason for this belt switching is cost and the excuse for it is that LP's are considered more HiFi than singles, some tables like the Linn LP12 only do 33 rpm. This is incorrect. You actually get better fidelity out of 45 RPM than 33 1/3 RPM. There are "audiophile" pressings of LP's that play at 45 RPM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tardcore Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 I'd say it's partially true. It's a cost saving measure and a sound quality measure. It's easier to build a motor to consistantly rotate at a fixed RPM than at 2 or 3 different speeds. My relatively expensive turntable requires me to move the belt the same as a low end pro-ject. and then you are correct that 45 RPM vs 33 1/3 RPM is technically superior. I think that he was referring to the fact that 12" LPs tend to be considered a "HiFi" format (even though they tend to be 33 1/3) versus singles that are traditionally a disposible, quick and dirty, medium. they historically are mastered hotter, juke-box-fodder, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allenh Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 This is incorrect. You actually get better fidelity out of 45 RPM than 33 1/3 RPM. There are "audiophile" pressings of LP's that play at 45 RPM. Cost is definitely the reason as getting the operator to change the speed is a lot cheaper that doing it electronically or mechanically. I was being a bit sarcastic with the excuse and yes that's very true and always been true that if it runs faster you get more medium to contain the sound and why proper reel to reel machines run at 15 or 30ips but it's quite a new thing when it comes to audiophile pressings. When Hamish Robertson designed the Ariston RD11 that Linn copied completely to make the LP12 Lp's at 33rpm were the thing of choice for the audiophile and singles were a bit frowned upon., ironically the best vinyl record sound back then would be from 45rpm 12 " singles but not that many were well mastered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allenh Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 I'd say it's partially true. It's a cost saving measure and a sound quality measure. It's easier to build a motor to consistantly rotate at a fixed RPM than at 2 or 3 different speeds. My relatively expensive turntable requires me to move the belt the same as a low end pro-ject. and then you are correct that 45 RPM vs 33 1/3 RPM is technically superior. I think that he was referring to the fact that 12" LPs tend to be considered a "HiFi" format (even though they tend to be 33 1/3) versus singles that are traditionally a disposible, quick and dirty, medium. they historically are mastered hotter, juke-box-fodder, etc. Yup basically what I was getting at. The sped control thing has always been a bone of contention, the engineer in me is torn between a simple well made AC motor and an electronically controlled AC or DC motor. My own preference is an electronically controlled DC motor as it guards against AC power fluctuations better but horses for courses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tardcore Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Yup basically what I was getting at. The sped control thing has always been a bone of contention, the engineer in me is torn between a simple well made AC motor and an electronically controlled AC or DC motor. My own preference is an electronically controlled DC motor as it guards against AC power fluctuations better but horses for courses. You drive on the wrong side of the road, therefore, your opinion is suspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allenh Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 You drive on the wrong side of the road, therefore, your opinion is suspect. No we don't just ask the Swedes they changed from the correct side to the wrong side, it was carnage and they drive Volvo's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axisrecapital Posted December 1, 2015 Author Share Posted December 1, 2015 OK...thanks everyone's response. What I am getting out of this is that you have to take the platter off to change the speeds, which simply doesn't work for me. I have two kids and the last thing I want is for them to be messing with the turntable. With that said, is there a model you can suggest (either Project or Rega) that already has a speed button and doesn't involved taking the platter off? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axisrecapital Posted December 1, 2015 Author Share Posted December 1, 2015 What sucks is that I was about to purchase this beauty, but not having a speed button is killing me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dethrock Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 What sucks is that I was about to purchase this beauty, but not having a speed button is killing me! Just get a speed box! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 The Pro-ject Espirit has the ability to change speeds with the push of a button. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axisrecapital Posted December 1, 2015 Author Share Posted December 1, 2015 This speed box you are talking about...can you show me a link of what to purchase? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tardcore Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 pro-ject speed box. use your googles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axisrecapital Posted December 1, 2015 Author Share Posted December 1, 2015 Yep....found it...thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deafening Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 What sucks is that I was about to purchase this beauty, but not having a speed button is killing me! She pretty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntslash Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 It takes me about 15 seconds to manually adjust the speed on my pro-ject turntable. Not having a button hasn't made my life significantly harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allenh Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 It really isn't difficult to change speed manually and realistically how often are you going to need to do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allenh Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 What sucks is that I was about to purchase this beauty, but not having a speed button is killing me! I'd take having an acrylic platter over a button to switch speed any day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxmartinxx Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I bought my first real turntable (a Music Hall MMF-5) 12 years ago and having to take off the glass platter to go from 33 to 45 drove me insane. So much so, I sold it and bought a VPI Scout since the motor is exposed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I recently got a Debut DC Esprit. While it sounds good I cannot for the life of me get rid of the motor hum AND what sounds to me like a grounding hum. I also have an old MCS 6700 which this was replacing and it's pure quiet compared to the project, no buzz no hum. I bought high quality RCA cables for the Esprit but that did not help. I'm at a loss here, I almost feel like my previous table is better than this one. Am I crazy here? Should the project tables sound like this? Are they known to carry a light hum, does the motor bother anyone else? I'm within my 14 day return window with TTL so I may just do that if there's no fixing this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dethrock Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I recently got a Debut DC Esprit. While it sounds good I cannot for the life of me get rid of the motor hum AND what sounds to me like a grounding hum. I also have an old MCS 6700 which this was replacing and it's pure quiet compared to the project, no buzz no hum. I bought high quality RCA cables for the Esprit but that did not help. I'm at a loss here, I almost feel like my previous table is better than this one. Am I crazy here? Should the project tables sound like this? Are they known to carry a light hum, does the motor bother anyone else? I'm within my 14 day return window with TTL so I may just do that if there's no fixing this Mine is a few years old so I don't know if they still have this but there's some "transport screws" or something that had to be removed from the motor. Lots of people complained about hum on the old Carbons but I thought the DC model was supposed to eliminate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Yes, I have the DC model. I thought you just had to loosen them, not remove completely but I could be wrong. It's mostly the grounding issue that drives me the most crazy. Is yours close to silent when you crank the volume before dropping the needle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dethrock Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Yes, I have the DC model. I thought you just had to loosen them, not remove completely but I could be wrong. It's mostly the grounding issue that drives me the most crazy. Is yours close to silent when you crank the volume before dropping the needle? You could be right about loosening them, whatever the manual says is what you should do. I've got an Xpression III and I can here some noise through the speakers if I have it cranked without the needle down, I think that's fairly normal unless you've got a phono stage that's powered with batteries. I definitely don't have any motor hum or grounding issues though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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