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Diggin that quote.  Surface to Air was a great record.

Not only this, but last time they did a self-release, (Hubardo 3xLP) many people had to pester him via email and his personal facebook page for YEARS in order to receive a simple refund because they never got their stuff.  Toby Driver has a reputation for doing this.  He tends to just give people excuses for years.  One kid mad to get him mom get mad at him on facebook to get a refund to the mom's credit card.  That was for the Hubardo thing., Prior to that, they had a kickstarter that is still unfinished, the project is called 'Ichneumonidae' and if you look it up and check the comments you'll see nobody ever got anything and quite a few people were miffed about it.

I pitched on the kickstarter for Tartar Lamb 2 and Ichneumonidae, I personally did get the Hubardo 3xLPs but the quality was not nearly as good as I was expecting, and many people didn't.  After the Ichneumonidae thing and the amount of people I read got burned on Hubardo, I wouldn't even touch this unless you want to gamble and don't care if you never receive anything at all.  Or have to bug the guy every few months for years to maybe eventually get a refund.

So either almost $50 or almost $60 shipped within the US?  For something hopefully out by Christmas?  Pass.

Not only this, but last time they did a self-release, (Hubardo 3xLP) many people had to pester him via email and his personal facebook page for YEARS in order to receive a simple refund because they never got their stuff.  Toby Driver has a reputation for doing this.  He tends to just give people excuses for years.  One kid mad to get him mom get mad at him on facebook to get a refund to the mom's credit card.  That was for the Hubardo thing., Prior to that, they had a kickstarter that is still unfinished, the project is called 'Ichneumonidae' and if you look it up and check the comments you'll see nobody ever got anything and quite a few people were miffed about it.

I pitched on the kickstarter for Tartar Lamb 2 and Ichneumonidae, I personally did get the Hubardo 3xLPs but the quality was not nearly as good as I was expecting, and many people didn't.  After the Ichneumonidae thing and the amount of people I read got burned on Hubardo, I wouldn't even touch this unless you want to gamble and don't care if you never receive anything at all.  Or have to bug the guy every few months for years to maybe eventually get a refund.

THANK YOU! someone who knows their shit and doesn't have their head up their ass.
Their guitarist wears a fucking knee pad and is down on his knees practically crying the entire set.
DEREK I know your a regular but FUCK OFF. Get off my back and get a fucking life.  Sounds to me like your smug, jealous, and ignorant.  If you think your opinion matters to me you are dreaming.  
For someone who dislikes emo so much you certainly are a whiny bitch.

Like how you edited from question to statement to seem even more like a smug bastard.
When I was in college (I took recording engineering)  I had a music lit prof.  He's pretty well known for interviewing pretty great bands like Tortoise, Merzbow, etc.
I did a project on emo and he raved about how my presentation was the best he'd ever seem.  He asked me during the presentation to define emo.  I'm 28 years old and been listening to emo since I was 14, that's 14 years half my life... so take that and shove it up your self righteous asshole.

Not about to get into an internet argument here.  If you've heard them on record you've only got half the picture.  See them live and them come back.

Going out on a limb here and going to guess you've never seen them live either.

You've obviously never seen them live.
They also list emo bands like Cap n Jazz as direct influence.

THANK YOU! someone who knows their shit and doesn't have their head up their ass.
Their guitarist wears a fucking knee pad and is down on his knees practically crying the entire set.
DEREK I know your a regular but FUCK OFF. Get off my back and get a fucking life.  Sounds to me like your smug, jealous, and ignorant.  If you think your opinion matters to me you are dreaming.  
For someone who dislikes emo so much you certainly are a whiny bitch.

Guess you never read the lyrics to Goodbye. Too bad you missed the LA date, baka gaijin,  I'll be seeing them for the 2nd time and I have an extra ticket.  Btw my recommendation for you is to take your photoshop template, put on a USB drive and insert into your anus.  Also the surefire way to tell you've got nothing backing your arguement is to attack someone's grammar.  I would blame autocorrect, but I was just too busy to deal with your bullshit.

You just outed yourself as one by caring enough to quote.

Actually my best friend was killed a little over a month ago, not that it would matter to you.  Keep cocking off to everyone you meet on the internet.

You just outed yourself as one by caring enough to quote.

Guess you never read the lyrics to Goodbye. Too bad you missed the LA date, baka gaijin,  I'll be seeing them for the 2nd time and I have an extra ticket.  Btw my recommendation for you is to take your photoshop template, put on a USB drive and insert into your anus.  Also the surefire way to tell you've got nothing backing your arguement is to attack someone's grammar.  I would blame autocorrect, but I was just too busy to deal with your bullshit.

Guess you never read the lyrics to Goodbye. Too bad you missed the LA date, baka gaijin,  I'll be seeing them for the 2nd time and I have an extra ticket.  Btw my recommendation for you is to take your photoshop template, put on a USB drive and insert into your anus.  Also the surefire way to tell you've got nothing backing your arguement is to attack someone's grammar.  I would blame autocorrect, but I was just too busy to deal with your bullshit.

Actually my best friend was killed a little over a month ago, not that it would matter to you.  Keep cocking off to everyone you meet on the internet.

Guess you never read the lyrics to Goodbye. Too bad you missed the LA date, baka gaijin,  I'll be seeing them for the 2nd time and I have an extra ticket.  Btw my recommendation for you is to take your photoshop template, put on a USB drive and insert into your anus.  Also the surefire way to tell you've got nothing backing your arguement is to attack someone's grammar.  I would blame autocorrect, but I was just too busy to deal with your bullshit.

Actually my best friend was killed a little over a month ago, not that it would matter to you.  Keep cocking off to everyone you meet on the internet.

Guess you never read the lyrics to Goodbye. Too bad you missed the LA date, baka gaijin,  I'll be seeing them for the 2nd time and I have an extra ticket.  Btw my recommendation for you is to take your photoshop template, put on a USB drive and insert into your anus.  Also the surefire way to tell you've got nothing backing your arguement is to attack someone's grammar.  I would blame autocorrect, but I was just too busy to deal with your bullshit.

Actually my best friend was killed a little over a month ago, not that it would matter to you.  Keep cocking off to everyone you meet on the internet.

Seriously.  Wikipedia is hardly the end-all source for something like this, but please; read the first sentence.
 
Slapping a new genre on a band based off their live tendencies - which, by the way, the vast majority of their fans won't get to experience - is absolutely ridiculous.  I will gladly accept that Toe perform like "an emo band" or whatever, but please don't pretend that it changes their musical genre.  Unless they belt out lyrics exclusively at live shows, I don't understand how this is even a topic of debate at this point.

math rock ≠ emo

i have to agree. and before i get lynched. yes, i have seen toe live. haha.
 
actually, before they got signed to Topshelf, i NEVER heard that description used for them. It was always post rock.
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Just because a band gets in the zone and evokes emotion doesn't make it emo, that's ridiculous.