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BRIEF HISTORY
 
- Moonshake starts with good intentions, Mega Man 2 record produced, receives a lot of attention, more profit potential. Small project for music that at the time we never thought we would see on vinyl. Generally a dick to people on the internet, huge ego.
 
- Gains a lot of attention, creates a big Zelda run, no intention of giving any composers money, people begin questioning him. Outlines his upcoming releases, continues to act like a dick.
 
- Receives a lot of negative attention, Ship to Shore realizes he's using a licensed Mother track on the upcoming NES release, they ask for him to remove it, Moonshake doesn't comply. Goes ahead and plays the victim card, changes his tone, suddenly all his profit now goes to the original artist/charity so he isn't the bad guy.
 
- Gains even more attention, goes forward with Castlevania and NES Greatest Hits releases, outlines his next Pokemon release, rants on his mailing list, empty promises of licensing releases and handing his profit to the composers. Continues to play the victim card, claims people are treating him unfairly and rants about how other companies don't give a penny to the composers.
 
- Releases Pokemon, receives even more attention, continues to play the victim card, no word on money to composers, no luck in getting licenses, claims there is a troll man-hunt, continues his inflated 'I'm a miracle' attitude.
 
I had no problem with Sean's project at the beginning but he's inflated this whole thing with his ego even though none of what he is doing is his own work, he has mislead his fans and has only shaped his intentions when he was put on the spot. The work I've seen every other company who releasing game music takes a lot more effort and practically does a lot more hard work than he has ever done. DataDiscs releases are tributes to the game with official art, everything represented perfectly, yet Moonshake's releases are generally just a tribute to himself.

About the Pokemon record: 'The most annoying being that they list the record is $50, which I did not authorize them to do whatsoever'
Just like GAME FREAK (who have legal digital music here) didn't authorize you to sell in the first place, right.
 
'I do not and have NEVER done this for money whatsoever'
Sure thing, I'm sure it was all going to the Mega Man and Zelda composers from the very start, right.
 
'not shitty vinyl “collectors” that buy records only as trophies to show off to other collectors.'
Half your audience mate.
 
'If all I cared about was ripping off nerds, I could just infinitely repress the mega man 2 or Zelda albums.'
Or you could bootleg a load of other releases.
 
'But Im not trying to be a business.'
Good luck with that Snatcher license.
 
'you can see how many labels have quickly popped up after me'
Ignoring the hundreds of game records released before him.
 
'uninspired soundtrack album design that’s generic as hell' 
Reference to his own bad album art.
 
'though for the record there are still labels like Iam8bit and datadiscs do awesome quality work and everyone should support them'
I'm sure they totally respect what all the hard work Moonshake does too.
 
Ninja Gaiden is coming out? I don't think Keiji Yamagishi/Brave Wave would be very happy about that (who they work closely with) at least they work directly with the original artists, do people actually believe he's sending all that profit from the Pokemon records to Junichi Masuda? Why such the big deal, it's half-ass work made out to be some glorious bootleg revolution. You can't make up excuses until you at least try attempt going legit, and asking your mailing list for lawyer help doesn't make it any easier.

Streets Of Rage 2 is up, grab it while you can.

I'm not talking about Moonshake.
 
I'm talking about how it's silly that someone can't understand how a bootleg being released before a licensed version of the same record will hurt sales, and subsequently the company that got the license to sell the record.
 
 
Everyone is always saying some shit like:
 
Then they get mad when someone responds and tries to explain what the big deal is lol 

Tecmo/Koei owns Ninja Gaiden. Not that I could say, but from past experience I would absolutely not be surprised if they licensed it to Daigle. While a lot of people say/think corporations are sue happy, there are clear examples of game companies licensing unofficial works in the past. For instance Capcom bucked the trend when they sent lawyers to Mega Ran to make sure he was legit and licensed (he sometimes talks about this at concerts), and Capcom also had well known bootleggers of "repro" games, Timewalk Games (now defunct) make their Ducktales HD press kits for sure. I think also had TW make their Mega Man 9 press kit, but I'm not sure. Now, to be fair, that's not common, for sure, but some companies honestly don't care about this sort of behavior. They're the exception, not the rule, obviously, but it does happen. Now, maybe it is Ninja Gaiden, I don't know, but to single that one out seems kind of unlikely, but they did say it was one not sold yet, which rules out all the other bootleg releases from him. So I have to say it's possible.
Also if talking about licensing and previous precedents is too close to talking about bootleg releases, especially as I'm not supporting buying them or linking them, other than simply pointing out other examples of illegitimate titles getting legitimate licensing, then please, Mods, PM me and I'll take this down. This isn't me making a discussion about bootlegging so much as it is how some companies, one in particular, have handled their IP's in the past.

No bootlegger who considers it to be just video game music would attempt to deliver what the likes of DataDiscs have in store for the fans.
 
Some exciting things coming this way from people that do give a shit.

No bootlegger who considers it to be just video game music would attempt to deliver what the likes of DataDiscs have in store for the fans.
 
Some exciting things coming this way from people that do give a shit.

More like moonshake are idiots ayyyy

DATA005: STREETS OF RAGE 2

Shipping April 2016, Preorders open this Saturday.

Our new release needs little introduction. Widely regarded as one of the greatest and most influential game soundtracks of all time, STREETS OF RAGE 2 remains a towering achievement of the 16bit era. We are extremely proud to be releasing this masterpiece of FM synthesis, composed by Yuzo Koshiro in 1992 and sounding more relevant today than ever.

The audio has been carefully remastered using multiple sources, including the original NEC PC-88 files supplied by Koshiro himself, and packaged in original artwork sourced from the SEGA archives in Japan.

- Double LP in gatefold sleeve
- Includes four bonus tracks of demos, alternate versions and unused compositions
- 2 x lithographic prints featuring archival artwork
- Traditional OBI strip
- Fully remastered in collaboration with and approved by composer Yuzo Koshiro
 

 

Everything is trivial in the grand-scheme of things and people are making about as much of a big deal about it as he does in his e-mails.

It's a long post in response too your long e-mail. Do-jo is bad, but at least they represent the products to match the franchise. While you're here, why can't you just ditch the bootlegs and go legit? You're representing products fans love, I think everyone would rather you made the most of it. It's something you've invested so much into and have the potential to go right direction with, how can you have respect for the composers when you say it's just 'fucking video game soundtracks'? Come on mate.

But they are just fucking video game soundtracks. You can love something and still realize how in the grand-scheme of things it is absolutely trivial. I mean, the last 4 pages of this thread testifies to that fact. 

Seriously, what did I do to you personally for you to have such a vendetta against me? Did bootleggers murder your parents as a child? I just dont understand how you can absolutely hate me and everything Ive made with such fevor. They are fucking game soundtracks for christsakes. You speak like Im Al Capone or something. 
 
Also, meanwhile Do-Jo music repressed the $20 Super Mario Bros 7" for like the 80th time, which is a counterfeit of an actual record that already exists, not even something specfically designed by them, and you are completely fine with that. 

Ok, this is NOT what happened.
 
STS emailed me from the start with an extremely hostile letter saying how they had the mother license FROM NINTENDO and that they were going to sue me if I put it out because they now owned the rights to it. This was their first email. Now I hadnt even mastered the tracks to send into the pressing plant yet at this point and was already planning to remove two tracks from the album previously because I felt like they didnt mesh as well with everything else and were too boring in comparison to everything else on the record (the mother track being one of the two). I wrote them and said no problem, I wasnt planning on putting it on anyway and also asked how they got a license from nintendo and if they could possibly forward me any info on how I could get in contact with them as I was very interested in getting licensing as well. Their response was equally as hostile, essentially "sorry we dont talk to bootlegger criminals". The next day I got a ton of emails from people asking if I was now working with STS and found out they took everyones email from the list and added them to their mailer, without anyones permission. This pissed me off so I spitefully put the track back on the album and then let everyone know that they essentially were releasing a literal copy of cd album that wasnt even a soundtrack, but an arranged album being deceptively sold as a soundtrack to people, under a mechanical license (from sony, not nintendo as they had claimed over and over).
 
I would have never done any of these things if they hadnt been so incredibly hostile from the start with me (and in retrospect wish I hadnt) and I have tried over and over to squash whatever bad blood there is but they continued to spread literal lies (like how I flipped a record on discogs, even though 100% of that sale was for charity) and literally spur people directly connected with them to post my HOME ADDRESS online with a message to "pay me a visit". Thats not just internet trolling or moralistic grandstanding anymore, thats fucking actual real life threats.

So they asked you to remove the tracks that you were going to remove anyway, but you didn't like their business practices so you put it on there to spite them.
That sounds like it worked out well.

Everything is trivial in the grand-scheme of things and people are making about as much of a big deal about it as he does in his e-mails.

It's a long post in response too your long e-mail. Do-jo is bad, but at least they represent the products to match the franchise. While you're here, why can't you just ditch the bootlegs and go legit? You're representing products fans love, I think everyone would rather you made the most of it. It's something you've invested so much into and have the potential to go right direction with, how can you have respect for the composers when you say it's just 'fucking video game soundtracks'? Come on mate.

Not as if Sean's going to get much help crying about 'trolls' on the internet, the edgelords can't endure it.

It's a long post in response too your long e-mail. Do-jo is bad, but at least they represent the products to match the franchise. While you're here, why can't you just ditch the bootlegs and go legit? You're representing products fans love, I think everyone would rather you made the most of it. It's something you've invested so much into and have the potential to go right direction with, how can you have respect for the composers when you say it's just 'fucking video game soundtracks'? Come on mate.

It's a long post in response too your long e-mail. Do-jo is bad, but at least they represent the products to match the franchise. While you're here, why can't you just ditch the bootlegs and go legit? You're representing products fans love, I think everyone would rather you made the most of it. It's something you've invested so much into and have the potential to go right direction with, how can you have respect for the composers when you say it's just 'fucking video game soundtracks'? Come on mate.

Right? Homeboy is such a petty, childish asshole that he actually compromised his own product out of spite. Ridiculous.

It's a long post in response too your long e-mail. Do-jo is bad, but at least they represent the products to match the franchise. While you're here, why can't you just ditch the bootlegs and go legit? You're representing products fans love, I think everyone would rather you made the most of it. It's something you've invested so much into and have the potential to go right direction with, how can you have respect for the composers when you say it's just 'fucking video game soundtracks'? Come on mate.

It's a long post in response too your long e-mail. Do-jo is bad, but at least they represent the products to match the franchise. While you're here, why can't you just ditch the bootlegs and go legit? You're representing products fans love, I think everyone would rather you made the most of it. It's something you've invested so much into and have the potential to go right direction with, how can you have respect for the composers when you say it's just 'fucking video game soundtracks'? Come on mate.

I really wasn't ever calling anyone out for buying them or anything. I even said in my first post that I knew everyone was going to support him anyway :\.
 
Everyone accusing me of "taking it too seriously" when they are the ones attacking haha. I'm just chatting.

It's a long post in response too your long e-mail. Do-jo is bad, but at least they represent the products to match the franchise. While you're here, why can't you just ditch the bootlegs and go legit? You're representing products fans love, I think everyone would rather you made the most of it. It's something you've invested so much into and have the potential to go right direction with, how can you have respect for the composers when you say it's just 'fucking video game soundtracks'? Come on mate.