afireinside86 Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Hi guys... So, I think I should try to get into Hot Water Music, they seem to be everybody's darlings. Please skip the burning, because I haven't paid attention to HWM yet =)...... I know one song and it is "remedy". That is all. I really like that song, so based on that, which albums should I begin with? They've released quite a lot so I'm a bit confused. Any pointers would be great.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minty Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 No Division Fuel For The Hate Game Forever and Counting Caution In my opinion, they are the only HWM records you need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xjustinxschwierx Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Remedy is like their worst song. start at the beginng and work your way forward. Fuel for the Hate Game.... Never Ender & 'til the wheels Fall Off are 7" / comp song / unreleased song compilations in general the Epitaph albums pale in comparison to what came before that era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minty Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Remedy is like their worst song.start at the beginng and work your way forward. Fuel for the Hate Game.... Never Ender & 'til the wheels Fall Off are 7" / comp song / unreleased song compilations in general the Epitaph albums pale in comparison to what came before that era. Although I agree, I still really like Caution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4m35 Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 a flight and a crash for the win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minty Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 a flight and a crash for the win No way, that album is pure filler / no killer apart from maybe the title track... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xjustinxschwierx Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 a flight and a crash for the win i personally love that album(because it sounds like an unreleased Pegboy album)...so...agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4m35 Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 man i love that album. choked and separated and old rules are two of the best HWM songs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrecordx Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 No Division, Live at the Hardback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xunspokenliesx Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Saw them last night and fell back in love with them...Never Ender is great... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
putodinero Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 No Divison and Caution are killer Albums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thestigmachine Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Well, since you said you really liked "Remedy", I'd say go ahead and start with Caution. For someone who's not familiar with HWM, I think it's a pretty safe bet. After that I'd follow up with Fuel For The Hate Game and No Division. From personal experience, when first introduced to albums like Forever And Counting and The New What Next, it took a while to get into them (I still don't care all that much for The New What Next). And maybe it's just personal preference, but I'd save rarities-collections like 'Till The Wheels Fall Off and Never Ender, and the live-album for last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottheisel Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Here's my recommendations, with suggested tracks for you to try before you buy to see if you dig the album's sound: 1. No Division (their comeback album after having initially broken up in the late '90s, a damn near perfect record -- every song is essential) 2. Never Ender (7-inch collection, many of their all-time best songs; "Alachua," "The Bitter End" and "You Can Take The Boy Out Of Bradenton") 3. Forever And Counting (the pinnacle of pre-first breakup HWM; "Better Sense," "Just Don't Say You Lost It," "Position," "Manual," "Minno") 4. Fuel For The Hate Game (they're young and raw, and you can tell they want it bad; "220 Years," "Turnstile," "Trademark," "Difference Engine") 5. Live At The Hardback (poorly recorded but a great mixture of the band's pre-Epitaph catalog) 6. The New What Next (heavily underrated, with some seriously great moments; "The End Of The Line," "Keep It Together," "Bottomless Seas," "This Early Grave") 7. A Flight And A Crash (Epitaph debut, gritty production but some solid tracks; "A Flight And A Crash," "Paper Thin," "Swinger," "Instrumental," "Sons And Daughters," "A Jack Of All Trades," "Choked And Separated" -- that might seem like a lot of jams, but all but one are on the A-side; virtually the entire B-side is pretty much forgettable) 8. Till The Wheels Fall Off (second 7-inch/comp track collection, mostly forgettable; "God Deciding," "Bleeder," "Dreamworld," "Moments Pass," "Another Way," "Moonpies For Misfits") 9. Caution (their bid for mainstream exposure and their poppiest album; "Remedy," "Trusty Chords," "Wayfarer," "Alright For Now") 10. Finding The Rhythms (their first album, the band were still searching for their sound; "The Passing," "Bound," "Arms Can't Stretch") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtw88 Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Aside from Scott's Fuel for the Hate Game description sounding like a porno, I'd have to agree for the most part, except I think I'd move Till the Wheels Fall Off up some more. That comp has some great songs on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samlesous Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 There is almost no reason to buy any of the Epitaph records. No Division and Forever & Counting are the best, thoug absolutely different. The Leatherface Split is awesome as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokithelion Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Everything is great but the later albums sound like desendents covering quicksand. No Division is the only one I'd laugh at you for not owning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest afsdan Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 top 3 albums: fuel for the hate game forever and counting finding the rhythms top 4 singles/splits: you can take the boy out of bradenton moments pass split w/ Clairmel split w/ Tomorrow all the singles/splits are on the Never Ender collection. skip the Epitaph years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afireinside86 Posted September 7, 2008 Author Share Posted September 7, 2008 Here's my recommendations, with suggested tracks for you to try before you buy to see if you dig the album's sound:1. No Division (their comeback album after having initially broken up in the late '90s, a damn near perfect record -- every song is essential) 2. Never Ender (7-inch collection, many of their all-time best songs; "Alachua," "The Bitter End" and "You Can Take The Boy Out Of Bradenton") 3. Forever And Counting (the pinnacle of pre-first breakup HWM; "Better Sense," "Just Don't Say You Lost It," "Position," "Manual," "Minno") 4. Fuel For The Hate Game (they're young and raw, and you can tell they want it bad; "220 Years," "Turnstile," "Trademark," "Difference Engine") 5. Live At The Hardback (poorly recorded but a great mixture of the band's pre-Epitaph catalog) 6. The New What Next (heavily underrated, with some seriously great moments; "The End Of The Line," "Keep It Together," "Bottomless Seas," "This Early Grave") 7. A Flight And A Crash (Epitaph debut, gritty production but some solid tracks; "A Flight And A Crash," "Paper Thin," "Swinger," "Instrumental," "Sons And Daughters," "A Jack Of All Trades," "Choked And Separated" -- that might seem like a lot of jams, but all but one are on the A-side; virtually the entire B-side is pretty much forgettable) 8. Till The Wheels Fall Off (second 7-inch/comp track collection, mostly forgettable; "God Deciding," "Bleeder," "Dreamworld," "Moments Pass," "Another Way," "Moonpies For Misfits") 9. Caution (their bid for mainstream exposure and their poppiest album; "Remedy," "Trusty Chords," "Wayfarer," "Alright For Now") 10. Finding The Rhythms (their first album, the band were still searching for their sound; "The Passing," "Bound," "Arms Can't Stretch") Thanks alot. That was very helpful. So far I'm digging A Flight and A Crash the most, but I haven't spend enough time on their other releases. I will though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdwell Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 I'd say....grab any release, get started....then move to the next....get 'em all, listen to 'em all, love 'em all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boizee Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 I'd say....grab any release, get started....then move to the next....get 'em all, listen to 'em all, love 'em all Agreed...I personally have no problem with the Epitaph years. I love them so much because I think everything they've done is great. Saw 'em in Portland on Saturday. AWESOMENESS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skumbucket Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 i loved the epitaph albums. i agree with the fellows above -- i love all of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooterist136 Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 I really dig the split with Leatherface, which can mostly be found on Til The Wheels Fall Off. You can't really go wrong with any of their releases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aarondanger Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 This is probably one of the most important bands of my life. This band is responsible for getting into records in general. Also I was obsessed with anything florida after discovering HWM. I got a flight and a crash first. Loved it probably my 2nd favorite record to date. No divison is awesome is a good "gateway" record. Scott did a good job of pointing out the primary songs on each record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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