brad Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 i liked upshall a lot and he seemed to have loved it here so i agree, it is a shame to let him go. sadly it's all about the cap. the game tonight was the worst game i've seen in a long time, i turned it off in the second...which sucks because i was really looking forward to this game. i agree about briere...if he is hurt again i can't handle it. we could have used his cap money yesterday...jbo and/or kari might have been on this team. son of a b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 i am willing to bet if the cap goes down players salaries will go down by the same percentage. i am pretty sure i heard that this is not the case, but i could be wrong. i do know that hockey contracts cannot be renegotiated so a player cant take a pay cut to help out the team if he is signed to a, say 15 year contract. interesting...but if their salaries don't go down it's going to cause a hell of a lot of issues with almost every team in the league. the league shouldn't punish teams who spend up to the cap trying to put the best product they can on the ice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murakami Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 i agree with you fully about it hurting teams near the cap but i cant imagine the players union would easily agree to a provision that reduces the players pay check this out, Maximum Salary section explains our little issue http://proicehockey.about.com/od/learnthegame/a/nhl_salary_cap.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 i just think it's so hilariously dumb that the cap floor this year is higher than the first ever cap ceiling. that is where a lot of inflated salaries are...teams need to make the cap floor so you have borderline players really cashing in. if the cap takes a dive down there are going to be major issues for the league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirbypuckett Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 THE PENS ARE AMAAAAAAAAAZING Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgoodcore Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 The players' salaries cannot exceed a certain percentage of revenue. A part of their paycheck is taken to ensure this balance and given back if the balance is correct. If its not, money in this escrow account is paid in to the system to the owners to ensure the percentage is correct. So, if the cap goes down and revenues are down the players will effectively lose their salary. There's a direct relation between revenue and player salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirbypuckett Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 The players' salaries cannot exceed a certain percentage of revenue. A part of their paycheck is taken to ensure this balance and given back if the balance is correct. If its not, money in this escrow account is paid in to the system to the owners to ensure the percentage is correct. So, if the cap goes down and revenues are down the players will effectively lose their salary. There's a direct relation between revenue and player salary. I thought that in the new CBA all contracts are guaranteed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgoodcore Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 The players' salaries cannot exceed a certain percentage of revenue. A part of their paycheck is taken to ensure this balance and given back if the balance is correct. If its not, money in this escrow account is paid in to the system to the owners to ensure the percentage is correct. So, if the cap goes down and revenues are down the players will effectively lose their salary. There's a direct relation between revenue and player salary. I thought that in the new CBA all contracts are guaranteed? All NHL contracts have always been guaranteed but there's a strict tie to revenue for percentage of player's salary. Meaning player's salaries can't be more than X percent of revenues. A guaranteed contract is one that can't be ended arbitrarily, like it can be in the NFL. You can't be fired in the NHL, you can be in the NFL, that's the difference between a guaranteed contract and a non-guaranteed contract as far as I can tell. That's why there's always talk in the NFL about guaranteed money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirbypuckett Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murakami Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 with a pug-face like that, his stick is probably the only lovin he can get j/k tyler, we love ya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgoodcore Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 He wanted Crosby instead, but the refs beat him to it.Yeah, I'm disappointed to see Upshall go, too. The transaction didn't make sense to me, but I suppose it's like you said, all about the cap. And Carcillo is younger and brings the same game as Upshall. That could have something to do with it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snaggle Von Swift Posted March 7, 2009 Author Share Posted March 7, 2009 McLaren didn't pass his physical today, the trade is void. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 good/who cares. it was an ahl and "oh shit half of our defense is injured in the conference finals again" depth move but, nice find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirbypuckett Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Suck it Ovechkin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malestudent15 Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Suck it Ovechkin. yeah, take that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Suck it Ovechkin. yeah, take that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Habs just fired their coach. wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgoodcore Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Again, I'm not sure what Gainey expected. His 21 year old goaltender hasn't been amazing and his offense is mediocre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 he was expecting to win the cup. come on, its their 100th season. cup or bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgoodcore Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 he was expecting to win the cup. come on, its their 100th season. cup or bust. Sure, but that means he didn't have realistic expectations and that led to firing a good coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirbypuckett Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 he was expecting to win the cup. come on, its their 100th season. cup or bust. Sure, but that means he didn't have realistic expectations and that led to firing a good coach. That's how the Canadiens roll, haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drabley Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 C'mon, now. Everyone knows that when 20 guys are lousy it's the Coach and/or GM that gets the axe. Nothing new there at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 guy was a douche. don't mind seeing him go! seems odd though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirbypuckett Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 C'mon, now.Everyone knows that when 20 guys are lousy it's the Coach and/or GM that gets the axe. Nothing new there at all. A coaching change has done wonders for the Pen's. 8-1-1 under Bylsma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drabley Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 C'mon, now.Everyone knows that when 20 guys are lousy it's the Coach and/or GM that gets the axe. Nothing new there at all. A coaching change has done wonders for the Pen's. 8-1-1 under Bylsma. Point well taken. The Rangers are also, what 3-1-1 under Torts? I wasn't arguing the validity or necessity of a coaching change, just pointing out that the coach takes the heat even though the fault sometimes lies with the players or the GM. Look at Paul Maurice in Toronto, for example. He had next to nothing to work with asides from Sundin, Kaberle and for a while a decent Bryan McCabe. And he was expected to make the playoffs with that? 5mil per season for Kubina? An over-paid Jason Blake after a fluke season? An over-paid Darcy Tucker after a fluke season? Every player gets a no-trade clause!!! Maurice's hands were tied by the opposite end of John Ferguson Jr's noose, and he unfortunately he took fall. No doubt first so that JFJ had someone to land on for cushioning when it was his turn to go. It's not always the coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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