jordan999 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 if it does pass, which its looking increasingly like it will, hopefully it goes the way it did back in 2000. Yea, an amendment in 2000 passed to ban gay marriage, but then got held up in court until this past May and the CA Supreme court said its unconsitutional, which it obviously is. That's why there have been a ton of same-sex marriages this summer, to get in while you can. And there were a ton again this month because even if it is banned, it doesn't retract previous marriages. But yea, this outcome is looking disgusting. At least 2 is going to pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediocore Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 if it does pass, which its looking increasingly like it will, hopefully it goes the way it did back in 2000.Yea, an amendment in 2000 passed to ban gay marriage, but then got held up in court until this past May and the CA Supreme court said its unconsitutional, which it obviously is. Except that Prop. 22 (2000) was a statute; Prop. 8 is a state constitutional amendment. From my understanding, state constitutional amendments can't be overturned by the state Supreme Court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adammuzzy Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 hopefully this turns out well. i'm so stoked on the decrim in massachusetts passing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riddle350 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 what was Prop 2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordan999 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 if it does pass, which its looking increasingly like it will, hopefully it goes the way it did back in 2000.Yea, an amendment in 2000 passed to ban gay marriage, but then got held up in court until this past May and the CA Supreme court said its unconsitutional, which it obviously is. Except that Prop. 22 (2000) was a statute; Prop. 8 is a state constitutional amendment. From my understanding, state constitutional amendments can't be overturned by the state Supreme Court. Oh really? I thought 2000 was a little stronger. I'm pretty sure that amending the state constitution needs 2/3 in the State Congress and the Governor needs to sign off on it. Did all that already happen? And I know we've had measures before that need a 2/3 vote by the people as well. I hope there's something that can hold it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediocore Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 what was Prop 2? "Yes" would add a chapter to the California Health and Safety Code regarding the treatment/confinement of farm animals (specifically in the production of veal, eggs, and pork). It doesn't go in effect until 2015 and is admittedly pretty narrow in scope, but it's at least a step in the right direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchurch2 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Prop 2 is animal treatment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchurch2 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 not quick or detailed enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchurch2 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Total Reporting:58% YES 52% NO 48% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediocore Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Except that Prop. 22 (2000) was a statute; Prop. 8 is a state constitutional amendment. From my understanding, state constitutional amendments can't be overturned by the state Supreme Court. Oh really? I thought 2000 was a little stronger. I'm pretty sure that amending the state constitution needs 2/3 in the State Congress and the Governor needs to sign off on it. Did all that already happen? And I know we've had measures before that need a 2/3 vote by the people as well. I hope there's something that can hold it up. I think the California Constitution can be amended by either a 2/3 vote by the Legislature or a state ballot measure (like Prop. 8). If it goes the ballot measure route, it only takes a simple majority to pass and the new law goes into effect the day after the election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impact Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 YES 4,375,684 52% NO 4,039,320 48% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vodkablast Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 is that final? god fucking damnit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmonaut Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 If this is final, and it passes, that's about the only downer from the whole election. That and Mitch McConnell holding onto his Senate seat in Kentucky (although that was likely anyway). Seriously, California, what the fuck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadmonkey Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 I still can't believe this shit is passing. Seriously this country not just California needs more separation of church and state. Hopefully there will be such a thing soon. People were down the street celebrating obama, but I'm sure there were some people that were waiting for this prop to fail before really celebrating. I feel worst for them over all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante3000 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Good to see bullshit fear tactics and hordes of money from religious zealots will always win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediocore Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Prop. 8 is still "too close to call," but the "Yes" vote is ahead by over 300,000 votes with 95% of precincts reporting, so it's pretty much a done deal. Fuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casey Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 In Florida we had Ammendment 2 which is similar. A Yes vote was to allow marriage to be defined as between one man and one woman. It passed. Standing in line to vote I heard a lot of people supporting Obama and still supporting bigotry in its other form--homophobia. Everywhere I was seeing bumper stickers and yard signs proclaiming "Yes on 2: Protect our Children". As if homosexuality is synonymous with pedophilia. It sickens me that in one election, in one facet we have progressed so much, but that we are still so close-minded about other things. So much for equal rights for all people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadetapplesauce Posted November 5, 2008 Author Share Posted November 5, 2008 goddamnit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainmorgan Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 :'( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmonaut Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 This pisses me off not only because it sets us back in terms of human rights, but also because of the general hypocrisy. These type of amendments are forwarded by conservative groups who bitch about government intervention in people's personal lives. What the hell. If you do not like gay marriage, do not get gay married. Problem solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xfedaykinx Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 If you do not like gay marriage, do not get gay married. Problem solved. this made me laugh. so true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesferenc Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 California has been set back 50 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesferenc Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 I am sure there will be some kind of recount for something that close and that important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akross Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 In Florida we had Ammendment 2 which is similar. A Yes vote was to allow marriage to be defined as between one man and one woman. It passed. Standing in line to vote I heard a lot of people supporting Obama and still supporting bigotry in its other form--homophobia. Everywhere I was seeing bumper stickers and yard signs proclaiming "Yes on 2: Protect our Children". As if homosexuality is synonymous with pedophilia. It sickens me that in one election, in one facet we have progressed so much, but that we are still so close-minded about other things. So much for equal rights for all people. There was something similar in Ohio back in 2004, but the wording of the Amendment also eliminated common-law marriage, but I doubt anyone who voted for it even noticed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadmonkey Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 The money, the zealots, those stupid fucking advertisements saying that kids will be taught gay marriage in schools. the whole thing just makes me mad. This state is full of Nuts.. and they are all not gay. They all go to church Edit: Found this map that shows who voted how on each prop by county. God Dammit this state has a lot of idiots living in it. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/politics/cal/la-2008election-california-results,0,1293859.htmlstory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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