tattoosdonthurt Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 I see you're in PA, Kurtz. Are you not an Iggles fan? I guess that makes you a Stillers fan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtz Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 100% Steelers fan. And I will continue to root for Rothlisberger even though he has rape allegations against him. They are just football players, not role models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 im from PA, but I am a Packers fan for life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesse Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 He served his time and lost his fortune. I think that was a fitting punishment for what he did. Yeah I agree with this. I mean he went to a real fucking jail (insert Office Space quote) for almost 2 fucking years. He did his time, and he did real time and he paid real consequences. Now as to Flood's point about how the NFL is fucked, I agree. I was merely pointing out that the energy spent vilifying Vick would be better spent on some other players. I'm not trying to excuse the league. Fortunately as a Pats fan we have a pretty good group of guys, and it makes it easier to root for the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirbypuckett Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 He served his time and lost his fortune. I think that was a fitting punishment for what he did. Yeah I agree with this. I mean he went to a real fucking jail (insert Office Space quote) for almost 2 fucking years. He did his time, and he did real time and he paid real consequences. Now as to Flood's point about how the NFL is fucked, I agree. I was merely pointing out that the energy spent vilifying Vick would be better spent on some other players. I'm not trying to excuse the league. Fortunately as a Pats fan we have a pretty good group of guys, and it makes it easier to root for the team. Except for the coach and the whole cheating thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaime Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 He's not even that great of a player. ...uhhh you ever see him play? hes a fucking amazing athlete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goraiders Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 I think a lot of people are worse (jeremy stevens, dante stallworth), not to mention vick spent years in jail. Its not like he got out of it that easy. He should be able to play again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirbypuckett Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 He's not even that great of a player. ...uhhh you ever see him play? hes a fucking amazing athlete. He is an amazing athlete, but he's a slightly above average player and I'm sure the downtime is going to make him below or par. He's not a great quarterback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electricsnow Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Pacman Jones has been in and out of trouble for years. Dante Stallworth will no doubt play again. Ummm...Ray Lewis, anyone? Didn't it turn out that Ray Lewis didn't kill that dude? He was just cooperating with the police in order to bring down the real murderer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanukichu Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 The way I see it is, any player who fucks up that bad whether it be severe animal abuse or killing a man, they fucked up their chances with a great job at the NFL by being irresponsible. There's plenty of talented athletes who'd love to be in the NFL but aren't. Those guys had their opportunities and they squandered them. Maybe because I'm not really a hardcore sports fan, I really don't get it, but that's how I feel. I get just as pissed off seeing people who make shit loads of money with great jobs that don't deserve them. And I'm not too stoked about the prospect of numerous PETA protests in Philly. I get a bad enough rap from people for being vegetarian and pro animal rights as it is without these ridiculous people making it worse for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drabley Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Pacman Jones has been in and out of trouble for years. Dante Stallworth will no doubt play again. Ummm...Ray Lewis, anyone? Didn't it turn out that Ray Lewis didn't kill that dude? He was just cooperating with the police in order to bring down the real murderer. Remains to be seen. And I don't think he was cooperating since he was charged with obstruction of justice. Granted it was part of a plea, but you can't just make shit up. Funny how the other two parties to that incident were acquitted and that the crime remains unsolved to this day. So someone got away with murder -- be it Lewis or the other two. But back on Vick -- he won't be a starting quarterback in this league -- I don't think ever again. He'll be a third down specialist and used in wildcat situations. His main worth to a team is messing with defensive schemes because of his onorthodox style and unpredictability -- perfect for third down situations. He was never a good quarterback, really. He has arm strength but horrible accuracy. Look at the Falcons receivers stats with Vick and then post Vick. Dramatic increase. I wouldn't be surprised if the Eagles worked him out as a receiver, to tell you the truth. But leave the guy alone. I can think of far more worthy points to express outrage at. He's just a thug and it's just a game. He went to jail. Case closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinscam Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Pacman Jones has been in and out of trouble for years. Dante Stallworth will no doubt play again. Ummm...Ray Lewis, anyone? Didn't it turn out that Ray Lewis didn't kill that dude? He was just cooperating with the police in order to bring down the real murderer. just like OJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonesomexloveus Posted August 14, 2009 Author Share Posted August 14, 2009 100% Steelers fan.And I will continue to root for Rothlisberger even though he has rape allegations against him. They are just football players, not role models. the problem is that they ARE role models to a lot of young kids. my cousin for one idolized michael vick and was devastated when he found out about the dog fighting. he ripped all his posters down and wanted to throw out his jersey. they make ridiculous amounts of money for playing a game; the least they can do is be decent human beings. if they cant be, then they can get a regular job making a regular salary like the rest of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirbypuckett Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Anyone in the world can be a role model and for various reasons. Some people think that athletes can be role models, some don't. Perhaps someone who idolizes an athlete should have a chat w/ someone like a parent about that once in awhile. There are a lot of great role models in the sports world, but there are probably a ton more that aren't. Same goes w/ musicians, actors, hell even family members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 ...uhhh you ever see him play? hes a fucking amazing athlete. He is an amazing athlete, but he's a slightly above average player and I'm sure the downtime is going to make him below or par. He's not a great quarterback. what? he was not a "slightly above average" player. he was a great player on a slightly above average team. 4,000 yd rushing in 530 attempts, 11500 yd passing in 1700 attempts, 3 time probowl through 6 seasons... he averaged 7.5 yd a carry, thats the best in the NFL, ever, even if its only through 6 seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinscam Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 i am not paid to be a role model. also, this is sports, how many times (on any level from high school to professional) have you seen complete fuckups get special treatment just because they can throw a ball far or run fast. it's complete bullshit, but it dosn't look like it'll change anytime soon. society needs to stop getting hard ons for professional athletes, as well as teach our kids that being good at sports doesn't get you a free pass to be a douche. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew13 Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 this was a friend's facebook status... i usually disagree with him on everything, but this time he's right. "feels that Michael Vick served his time in prison, apologized, and in the process he didn't complain once... He owned up to everything and took it like a man... That takes courage and balls... Just remember Donte stallworth killed a man while being drunk behind the wheel, plead not guilty, then plea bargained, then got only 24 days in prison... Don't bitch about Vick... Welcome back to the NFL" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drabley Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 100% Steelers fan.And I will continue to root for Rothlisberger even though he has rape allegations against him. They are just football players, not role models. the problem is that they ARE role models to a lot of young kids. my cousin for one idolized michael vick and was devastated when he found out about the dog fighting. he ripped all his posters down and wanted to throw out his jersey. they make ridiculous amounts of money for playing a game; the least they can do is be decent human beings. if they cant be, then they can get a regular job making a regular salary like the rest of us. The role model issue is part of the problem, especially in conjunction with the thug effect that is consuming professional sports. What is it exactly that causes one to become a role model? Money? Glamor? Power? Intelligence? Nobility? Sex appeal? What qualities, or perks, is it that causes people to want to be like others? I realize that different people walk different paths in life. I played semi-professional baseball during my adolescence and had my idols just the same as any other kid who is into sports. But I didn't want to be like any of them -- I just wanted to enjoy the same successes they did. This is more of a mentor role, not a role model. Michael Vick is a successful football player. He is not a successful human being, nor was he likely ever a successful human being. You don't just take up dog fighting as a hobby any more than you skin cats to relax after dinner. There are underlying flaws in his person, learned, genetic, or otherwise, that preclude him from ever reaching role model status. Derrick Brooks is a role model. He has enormous family values, is philanthropic, is involved in his community, and uses his enormous success to bring about success in others. He is still a huge figure in Tampa despite having been cut from the team. His heart is bigger than his body and he genuinely cares for his fellow man. He's successful professionally, which makes him an idol, and successful as a human, which makes him a role model. It is up to parents to teach these differences to allow youth to distinguish between the two. It's not up to the player, who is paid to throw a ball, nor should they be held to any higher standard than the rest of us simply because they're on television and make more money in few hours than most of us make in a year. If professional sports athletes are inevitably going to become role models, then it is up to all parties involved to put every player through a fine tooth comb starting in high school. So long as there is money to be made, this will never happen. Also, once some character exclusions are introduced at an early age, just wait for the rash of ACLU and NAACP lawsuits. It would be a complete cluster fuck. Fact is, these are our entertainers. Our athletes, our celebrities, they're all the modern equivalent of medieval jesters or gladiators. Their job is to amuse us, not inspire us. It's unfortunate that they're often at the peak of the income scale. But that doesn't make them worthy of admiration any more than the Doctors battling the HIV epidemic in Sub-Saharan Africa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 this was a friend's facebook status... i usually disagree with him on everything, but this time he's right."feels that Michael Vick served his time in prison, apologized, and in the process he didn't complain once... He owned up to everything and took it like a man... That takes courage and balls... Just remember Donte stallworth killed a man while being drunk behind the wheel, plead not guilty, then plea bargained, then got only 24 days in prison... Don't bitch about Vick... Welcome back to the NFL" exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Vick was a horrific qb who couldn't read defenses or pass for shit. His most accurate year is worse than d macs worst year, and d mac isn't even accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 this was a friend's facebook status... i usually disagree with him on everything, but this time he's right."feels that Michael Vick served his time in prison, apologized, and in the process he didn't complain once... He owned up to everything and took it like a man... That takes courage and balls... Just remember Donte stallworth killed a man while being drunk behind the wheel, plead not guilty, then plea bargained, then got only 24 days in prison... Don't bitch about Vick... Welcome back to the NFL" exactly holy shit... i agree with you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travis Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Obviously what he did was terrible, I dont think anyone is arguing with that. The guy served his time and now has a right to move on with his life. I dont think he should have been reinstated so soon but whatever. He took his punishment and is just trying to move on. I dont see how people can go so outspoken and pissed off about this when there are people playing in the NFL who have played a part in murders and rapes to PEOPLE. I love animals and would never want to see anyone hurt one in any way but killing a person is much much much worse than anything you can do to an animal. Why arent people as outspoken about Pac Man Jones or Ray Lewis. Ray Lewis is a legitmate superstar in the NFL. I dont remember people being as outspoken about him. I guarantee there wont be this much shit surrounding Stallworth when he gets back into the league next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headtowall Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 i just hate the Eagles anyway. could really care less about Vick signing to them. Andy reid already has 2 criminals for sons, so he should know how to deal with Vick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirbypuckett Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 He is an amazing athlete, but he's a slightly above average player and I'm sure the downtime is going to make him below or par. He's not a great quarterback. what? he was not a "slightly above average" player. he was a great player on a slightly above average team. 4,000 yd rushing in 530 attempts, 11500 yd passing in 1700 attempts, 3 time probowl through 6 seasons... he averaged 7.5 yd a carry, thats the best in the NFL, ever, even if its only through 6 seasons. Yeah, I mean he was great, but he sucked as a quaterback and the Falcons never won a thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirbypuckett Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 i am not paid to be a role model. Neither are athletes. They're paid to do their jobs, just like you and I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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