Repeal all forms of socialism!

[jayeffscene]

I fucked your mom.

while i watched.

While you watched what?

[dntheman1]

Ask three people about government run health care: Members of Congress, current members of the Armed Forces, and Vets. All would say their health care kicks ass and all have government-run health care.

I was a federal worker for about 5 years and had pretty good health insurance, but that doesn't mean it was efficient. It was really pricey for the government so thank you taxpayers for that.

[dntheman1]

This is a great article discussing some of the problems with the health care industry outside any sort of bickering over plans in front of congress:

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/06/01/090601fa_fact_gawande?currentPage=all

[dutchrudder]

health care? i think we need to spend more money on defense

Kinda funny, pretty much every republican voted no on the last defense spending bill.

[dutchrudder]

Also:

Mixing is communism.

And as we all know, Socialism leads to Communism....

[sgoodcore]

Ask three people about government run health care: Members of Congress, current members of the Armed Forces, and Vets. All would say their health care kicks ass and all have government-run health care.

I was a federal worker for about 5 years and had pretty good health insurance, but that doesn't mean it was efficient. It was really pricey for the government so thank you taxpayers for that.

First off, nothing is perfect. I've heard many stories about the Vet being good health care though. And as far as things being more costly, hopefully strong regulation to poor business practices stops that.

[cj]

i just want you guys to know that if you get hurt you can come to canada. you will get treatment and wont even have to pay for it.

i dont pay a cent in health care. it's completely free in Alberta. In most of Canada you have to pay a premium (usually 25 bucks a month) and you're covered, but in Alberta our government pays that monthly fee for us.

too bad i never get hurt or sick.

[sgoodcore]

i just want you guys to know that if you get hurt you can come to canada. you will get treatment and wont even have to pay for it.

i dont pay a cent in health care. it's completely free in Alberta. In most of Canada you have to pay a premium (usually 25 bucks a month) and you're covered, but in Alberta our government pays that monthly fee for us.

too bad i never get hurt or sick.

Well its not free, your taxes are higher. I would gladly take the trade-off but to say its free isn't exactly correct.

[cj]

i just want you guys to know that if you get hurt you can come to canada. you will get treatment and wont even have to pay for it.

i dont pay a cent in health care. it's completely free in Alberta. In most of Canada you have to pay a premium (usually 25 bucks a month) and you're covered, but in Alberta our government pays that monthly fee for us.

too bad i never get hurt or sick.

Well its not free, your taxes are higher. I would gladly take the trade-off but to say its free isn't exactly correct.

you're right, but you have to pay tax anyway and the difference is neglegable compared to a lot of the luxury items we buy everyday

[lokithelion]

Ask three people about government run health care: Members of Congress, current members of the Armed Forces, and Vets. All would say their health care kicks ass and all have government-run health care.

I have never ever heard a vet say that their health care was good. Pretty much the exact opposite actually.

I've got two injured vets from the current war in my family who disagree with you. It aint perfect but they wouldn't it trade it for my BCBS

[axlrose]

If we just give poor people health care, what will their motivation be to stop being poor? Free groceries, free health care, free abortions...being poor sounds like the shit!

[sgoodcore]

If we just give poor people health care, what will their motivation be to stop being poor? Free groceries, free health care, free abortions...being poor sounds like the shit!

You forgot the sarcasm tag so people know you're not serious.

[One Hundred Fifty-Two]

https://careers.homedepot.com/cg/?

EDIT: They even let legitimate mentally handicap people work there and fat asses.

[tobinownlife]

When people just say everything they disagree with is communism or socialism, it makes me so angry that I can't even argue a valid point because I just want to tell them how stupid they are and that a basic high school government class would probably teach them otherwise. We call China communists, but they still have factories where the one owner makes millions of dollars in profit while the workers have to live in the factory because shit thankless work is there entire life. That's not really my argument, it's just a small point.

Oh wait... AMERICA!!!

[adamlikesmusic]

Oh wait... AMERICA!!!

FUCK YEAH!!!

[bruins4ever]

i just want you guys to know that if you get hurt you can come to canada. you will get treatment and wont even have to pay for it.

i dont pay a cent in health care. it's completely free in Alberta. In most of Canada you have to pay a premium (usually 25 bucks a month) and you're covered, but in Alberta our government pays that monthly fee for us.

too bad i never get hurt or sick.

I like Canadian healthcare too, but it is far from perfect. The wait times in our hospitals are pretty outrageous, especially for certain types of surgeries. It's nice that it is covered by our taxes, but there are some things about it that need to change. I'm just thankful that if I get sick, I'm not stuck with a $50,000 bill from the hospital.

Interesting but true story about American healthcare from my perspective:

My family and I were on vacation to Florida in 2001. My little brother had major problems with ear infections and here in Canada, you could get the prescription, covered under my dad's healthcare plan for nothing. To simply buy the ear drops was negligible... $30-40 or so. My little brother obviously gets an ear infection when we're in Florida, and we didn't quite know what to do. My dad called Royal Bank's insurance line, and they hooked him up with an appointment that day about 3 blocks away at some doctors office. My dad takes my little brother to the doctors and he gets the prescription... $200 for the same product that was $30-40 back in Canada. Obviously he just needed to hang on to the receipt and he'd by reimbursed when we got back home, but the price of medication and care in the USA is absolutely absurd.

I can't even imagine living in the USA without health insurance. It's scary how much I, living in Canada, take for granted the system we have. It's not perfect, but it's certainly a very nice thing to have.

[axlrose]

i just want you guys to know that if you get hurt you can come to canada. you will get treatment and wont even have to pay for it.

i dont pay a cent in health care. it's completely free in Alberta. In most of Canada you have to pay a premium (usually 25 bucks a month) and you're covered, but in Alberta our government pays that monthly fee for us.

too bad i never get hurt or sick.

I like Canadian healthcare too, but it is far from perfect. The wait times in our hospitals are pretty outrageous, especially for certain types of surgeries. It's nice that it is covered by our taxes, but there are some things about it that need to change. I'm just thankful that if I get sick, I'm not stuck with a $50,000 bill from the hospital.

Interesting but true story about American healthcare from my perspective:

My family and I were on vacation to Florida in 2001. My little brother had major problems with ear infections and here in Canada, you could get the prescription, covered under my dad's healthcare plan for nothing. To simply buy the ear drops was negligible... $30-40 or so. My little brother obviously gets an ear infection when we're in Florida, and we didn't quite know what to do. My dad called Royal Bank's insurance line, and they hooked him up with an appointment that day about 3 blocks away at some doctors office. My dad takes my little brother to the doctors and he gets the prescription... $200 for the same product that was $30-40 back in Canada. Obviously he just needed to hang on to the receipt and he'd by reimbursed when we got back home, but the price of medication and care in the USA is absolutely absurd.

I can't even imagine living in the USA without health insurance. It's scary how much I, living in Canada, take for granted the system we have. It's not perfect, but it's certainly a very nice thing to have.

Interesting. I've heard all the horror stories about Canadian Health Insurance and waiting. My understand though, is that the waiting isn't inherent in the system, it's in part due to the Government's attempt to control costs.

I have also heard that as much as American conservatives say, "We don't want no socialized medicine like in Holland", every other developed nation says they don't want the American model in much the same way. Go us.

[sgoodcore]

Its really hard to argue with America having some form of national insurance option when, as a country, we spend more than country's with single-payer health programs.

[rtw88]

Also, I've read that in Canada if you need an operation and the wait time for it in Canada is high enough that it may be unsafe, they will pay for you to go to the states to have the operation done.

So granted, you might have to wait awhile in discomfort for some surgery that could be done almost instantly in the US, but I'd say that's a better deal than having to work for 5 years to pay it off.

[bruins4ever]

I like Canadian healthcare too, but it is far from perfect. The wait times in our hospitals are pretty outrageous, especially for certain types of surgeries. It's nice that it is covered by our taxes, but there are some things about it that need to change. I'm just thankful that if I get sick, I'm not stuck with a $50,000 bill from the hospital.

Interesting but true story about American healthcare from my perspective:

My family and I were on vacation to Florida in 2001. My little brother had major problems with ear infections and here in Canada, you could get the prescription, covered under my dad's healthcare plan for nothing. To simply buy the ear drops was negligible... $30-40 or so. My little brother obviously gets an ear infection when we're in Florida, and we didn't quite know what to do. My dad called Royal Bank's insurance line, and they hooked him up with an appointment that day about 3 blocks away at some doctors office. My dad takes my little brother to the doctors and he gets the prescription... $200 for the same product that was $30-40 back in Canada. Obviously he just needed to hang on to the receipt and he'd by reimbursed when we got back home, but the price of medication and care in the USA is absolutely absurd.

I can't even imagine living in the USA without health insurance. It's scary how much I, living in Canada, take for granted the system we have. It's not perfect, but it's certainly a very nice thing to have.

Interesting. I've heard all the horror stories about Canadian Health Insurance and waiting. My understand though, is that the waiting isn't inherent in the system, it's in part due to the Government's attempt to control costs.

I have also heard that as much as American conservatives say, "We don't want no socialized medicine like in Holland", every other developed nation says they don't want the American model in much the same way. Go us.

The Canadian health insurance and waiting is tricky... I'm not really sure why we need to wait as long as we do. It very well could be based on cost, but I believe it's the fact that we don't have enough hospitals and doctors to cover our demand on the system. Obviously waiting wasn't always as bad as it is now, but I've heard from people that need cancer treatment, the wait could be 6-12 months or so. Granted, when my mom went in for treatment, she only waited about 2 months or so, so who knows...

[bruins4ever]

Also, I've read that in Canada if you need an operation and the wait time for it in Canada is high enough that it may be unsafe, they will pay for you to go to the states to have the operation done.

So granted, you might have to wait awhile in discomfort for some surgery that could be done almost instantly in the US, but I'd say that's a better deal than having to work for 5 years to pay it off.

Hmm, I haven't heard that although it wouldn't really surprise me. What's happening now is due to waiting times, there are people in Canada that are willing to travel to the States and pay for the surgery themselves down there. There's a lady from a town called Waterdown (about 20 minutes from my hometown) who appeared on some American political commercials about having to wait too long for treatment in Canada, so she paid for it herself in the USA, bypassing our wait times. It caused a lot of backlash around here, but I mean, obviously if our wait times are bad enough that people are willing to pay for it elsewhere, there's a problem.

I personally believe very strong in social healthcare, and I love the idea of it, but there are some problems that clearly need to be worked out. I still like the idea better than the way it's done down in the States I must admit.

[suburbanargyle]

Whoa....my healthcare SUCKED when I was in the military. Thankfully I didn't need it too much, but it involved things like sitting in a waiting room all night long, with nobody else waiting, when I had a stomach flu (constantly running back and forth to the bathroom to vomit / nearly shit myself). All they did was hook me up to an IV, and refuse to put me on quarters (i.e. go back to the barracks and rest) so I was sent back to work, still vomiting. Also I was ordered, no joke, to have my wisdom teeth taken out, although at the same time I was told that they didn't REALLY need to be taken out. That's a common one.

I work with combat veterans that don't have very good things to say about it either. In fact, I would say ask current members and vets and they would say they do not have good healthcare, more often than not.

[dntheman1]

I didn't have Vet insurance, I had Federal Employee Health insurance. It was fine, just really expensive for the government (and not inexpensive for what they took out of my paycheck and I had the cheapest available).

There are alot of honest issues with heathcare reform. The employee-based system leaves unemployed workers at a disadvantage, but you run into pooling problems if you eliminate it. A public option could improve things, but it could put insurance companies (who already have pretty thin margins) out of business which would harm consumers. If you break down data, the number of uninsired which would be covered under a government plan tends to be more like 11M uninsured, not 40M, so it's a question of how much money do we want to spend as a government to cover that number. Massachusetts has had horrible cost overruns on its state-level program which does not help the case for a government plan. It's a really complicated issue that gets broken down across party lines and is way oversimplified.

[steventangent]

Dan, you're never gonna get on a cable news show with that attitude. Or voted into office, for that matter.

[sgoodcore]

...A public option could improve things, but it could put insurance companies (who already have pretty thin margins) out of business which would harm consumers.

Uh, when you pay your CEO hundreds of millions of dollars your margins are fine.

I didn't have Vet insurance, I had Federal Employee Health insurance. It was fine, just really expensive for the government (and not inexpensive for what they took out of my paycheck and I had the cheapest available).

There are alot of honest issues with heathcare reform. The employee-based system leaves unemployed workers at a disadvantage, but you run into pooling problems if you eliminate it. A public option could improve things, but it could put insurance companies (who already have pretty thin margins) out of business which would harm consumers. If you break down data, the number of uninsired which would be covered under a government plan tends to be more like 11M uninsured, not 40M, so it's a question of how much money do we want to spend as a government to cover that number. Massachusetts has had horrible cost overruns on its state-level program which does not help the case for a government plan. It's a really complicated issue that gets broken down across party lines and is way oversimplified.

Firstly, its great to read something that's not overly ridiculous. But second, it is pretty damn simple in that what we have now is terribly broken. That part is simple and its pretty obvious. We spend more than most industrial nations on health care and our coverage is some of the worst amongst those countries. We, as a nation, spend less than countries with single-payer and public options.

The whole point of having insurance to get treatment but once you're sick too often people are dropped from coverage. That's simple and that's broken. If Congress took a hard look at the current government-aided programs, single-payer programs, and public options it could come up with a plan hybrid with the best characteristics of all of them. However, they're too busy bowing to their overlords at Aetna, United, and Blue Cross/Blue Shield to worry about it. So they whip people up about abortion and death panels and socialism and Nazism - even though a cursory glance in to history makes it obvious, painfully so - those two thing are at total odds. Instead we get a watered down bill that will likely help insurance companies and not offer any kind of actual help.