Guest Admin Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 I am just saying that I don't want the message board to become a forum for album leaks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brennan Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 so what your saying is you condone file sharing not involving album leaks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robotnerd Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 i'm more likely to spend a couple extra bucks on a record if it has a download code. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Admin Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 I send large files through yousendit from time to time, but i do have problems with people who only file share music and never buy it. It is a different story altogether when someone buys the vinyl; should it entitle the vinyl owner to download a copy of the album? maybe. But regardless, i don't want this board to be full of threads of yousendit links for unreleased albums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brennan Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 ok so there we have it. absolutely no file sharing allowed on this board... ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robotnerd Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 you heard the man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impact Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 I send large files through yousendit from time to time, but i do have problems with people who only file share music and never buy it. It is a different story altogether when someone buys the vinyl; should it entitle the vinyl owner to download a copy of the album? maybe. But regardless, i don't want this board to be full of threads of yousendit links for unreleased albums. sounds like VLV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steventangent Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Simply not true. Not even close to true. Besides, how would the RIAA know that you have a copy on vinyl before you get a letter from their lawyers? how they can sue you for posessing files that you have purchased a licensing agreement to posess? When microsoft does an audit, they don't care where installed files came from, just as long as you have paid for the copy installed on your machine. I love that I have been karma'd down for this! It's not like I've insulted anybody. I'm just trying to give people the simple fact that if you get sued for downloading files and your defense in court is that 'you bought the vinyl', you will lose. I don't think it's fair to expect people to pay for something twice, either. The courts have made abundantly clear that when you purchase something, you have the right to own it and to make one copy for backup purposes. You do not have the right to share files or to download them illegally. As to your question, how can they sue you? "They" can sue you for anything. Most of the RIAA lawsuits so far have been from people sharing files, not downloading them. Some of the time, when people go through the cost and effort of fighting the RIAA, they win, which should say something about their practice of suing everybody. Copyright law is a pretty complicated thing, and in the last few years there have been a number of lawsuits and a lot of legislature bandied about that can change things drastically. You have to keep in mind that there is MORE THAN ONE copyright involved here; the songwriters hold the copyright to the actual song while the record company may own part, none, or all of the copyright to the physical media. This is why it's such a big deal who keeps the 'master tapes' in a recording contract. Sometimes vinyl records are sub-licensed to other labels, for example, the ETID set. Even though the license was legally obtained and paid for, do you think Ferret Records is OK with people just downloading the albums? Don't try to make it sound like I'm defending these practices, or that I think it's right. I have, on more than one occasion, been guilty of ripping a friend's CD because I bought the vinyl. My copy of Jimmy Eat World's Clarity fell victim to CD rot and I had to download a few tracks off of it. That doesn't change the fact that it was illegal. how can they prove its not your rips of the song? They can't just root around in your hard drive. If you are downloading it from someone else, they know it isn't your rip, and if you are connected to a file-sharing network and one of their spies is able to download it successfully from you, you will get sued for sharing it. now i could be wrong here but isnt that how they justify letting any copyrighted files be on the internet legally... to download files that you have a licensed agreement to posses. But there is all kinds of illegal stuff on the internet! And keep in mind that you don't "own the rights" to music you pay for. You basically pay for the physical media and royalties in exchange for a license to listen to it. I would prefer it if the vinyl collective messageboard did not become a forum for album leaks. I realize that album leaks happen for every release no matter what rules get established in this forum, but I don't want to encourage it. As a small label owner, I know that file-sharing has affected my business. As a vinyl collector, I realize that people should not be expected to buy two copies of an album in multiple formats. I guess I find myself in the middle of the argument. We have been trying to get the ok's from labels about putting download codes into our vinyl, but so far, we have gotten all negatives. We plan to put download codes into our own vinyl releases. I know that people are going to download the new Against Me, but please don't make Vinyl Collective a portal for file-sharing. Kudos for this post, and I think it's awesome that you plan to include download codes. I am more more inclined to buy records that have them as I do much of my listening away from home. I guess the part that bothers me the most about this entire argument is that I see where Flood is coming from and agree, but I also realise that it doesn't NECESSARILY work that way in the eyes of the law. And I got karma-killed for it :'( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skumbucket Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 the karma gods have rewarded you for being an intelligent enough person to know what the deal is. the simple fact that people continue to download and upload rampantly and without thought to the consequences boggles my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flood Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 yeah i rarely if ever download anything i dont plan on buying/already own on vinyl, unless its a live/remix/hopelessly out of print sort of deal. Yeah im against mp3's in general, they lack the artwork and the "complete work or art" feel that an entire album has. and i can't enjoy that wonderful initial listening period where you just kick back and flip thru the liner notes while listening to the record. Plus its too easy to get too much music these days, and you dont get to really process an album the way you would if you had to actually shell out cash for it. Not to mention the ramifications across the scene in general... goodbye mom & pop record stores, goodbye zines (because advertising dollars aren't there), goodbye online distros, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steventangent Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 I know kids that have 50 or 60 gigs of music but they barely even know any of it. It's like a contest to some people or something, a badge of honor. Owning same amount of music on vinyl would be a real badge of honor! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brennan Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 if you listen to it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sl0wpoke Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 I can't wait to hear this, Eternal Cowboy was sooo good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyShackelford Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 holy thread resurrection! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamlikesmusic Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 It wasn't even a good bump. Seriously, what kind of troll forgets their password? Fucking bush league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmythescumbag Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 It wasn't even a good bump.Seriously, what kind of troll forgets their password? Fucking bush league. He had a bunch of retarded bumps last night/early this morning. : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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