danthemjfan23 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 i never bought into the lin hype. not even when they won 7 in a row and he was putting up big numbers. he has no left hand and is way too bad of a ballhandler to be a full time, big impact player in this league. it was a cute story, but once the league saw 10 games worth of tape on him, he was done. the heat game where they just absolutely shut him down was the turning point of all the hype, in my eyes. and thank god. i was so sick of hearing about him, especially knowing he wasn't any good. how ironic that steve nash would probably be a really good fit in new york now, and d'antoni is out the door. i still don't think anybody can compete with the heat in a 7 game series (even my bulls, even when derrick is at full strength), but it's nice to have the thought in the back of your mind that maybe a couple teams can at least put up a fight. the regular season means nothing to them. they just need to make it to the playoffs healthy, and they'll be hanging multiple banners in the next 5 years. i hate to say it, but there's no way it's not true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Hundred Fifty-Two Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 i never bought into the lin hype. not even when they won 7 in a row and he was putting up big numbers. he has no left hand and is way too bad of a ballhandler to be a full time, big impact player in this league. it was a cute story, but once the league saw 10 games worth of tape on him, he was done. the heat game where they just absolutely shut him down was the turning point of all the hype, in my eyes. and thank god. i was so sick of hearing about him, especially knowing he wasn't any good.how ironic that steve nash would probably be a really good fit in new york now, and d'antoni is out the door. i still don't think anybody can compete with the heat in a 7 game series (even my bulls, even when derrick is at full strength), but it's nice to have the thought in the back of your mind that maybe a couple teams can at least put up a fight. the regular season means nothing to them. they just need to make it to the playoffs healthy, and they'll be hanging multiple banners in the next 5 years. i hate to say it, but there's no way it's not true. Jeremy Lin = John Lucas III Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collectivemike Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 i never bought into the lin hype. not even when they won 7 in a row and he was putting up big numbers. he has no left hand and is way too bad of a ballhandler to be a full time, big impact player in this league. it was a cute story, but once the league saw 10 games worth of tape on him, he was done. the heat game where they just absolutely shut him down was the turning point of all the hype, in my eyes. and thank god. i was so sick of hearing about him, especially knowing he wasn't any good.how ironic that steve nash would probably be a really good fit in new york now, and d'antoni is out the door. i still don't think anybody can compete with the heat in a 7 game series (even my bulls, even when derrick is at full strength), but it's nice to have the thought in the back of your mind that maybe a couple teams can at least put up a fight. the regular season means nothing to them. they just need to make it to the playoffs healthy, and they'll be hanging multiple banners in the next 5 years. i hate to say it, but there's no way it's not true. Yeah, the other thing that casual fans don't realize is that he had that streak against THE worst teams in the NBA, save for the Lakers. They beat NJ, Washington, Minnestoa, uhhh I think the Kings... all of which went right down to the wire, too. Now the guys got the highest selling jersey in the world... just too much for me. I'd argue there may be 4 teams that can hang with Miami in a series... Chicago at full strength, OKC, I'd never count out the Celtics, the Spurs or the Lakers either. Going into the future the Clippers will be up there, same with Memphis. Nobody else in the east is even close to them though... hopefully NY may get there in a year or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collectivemike Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 i never bought into the lin hype. not even when they won 7 in a row and he was putting up big numbers. he has no left hand and is way too bad of a ballhandler to be a full time, big impact player in this league. it was a cute story, but once the league saw 10 games worth of tape on him, he was done. the heat game where they just absolutely shut him down was the turning point of all the hype, in my eyes. and thank god. i was so sick of hearing about him, especially knowing he wasn't any good.how ironic that steve nash would probably be a really good fit in new york now, and d'antoni is out the door. i still don't think anybody can compete with the heat in a 7 game series (even my bulls, even when derrick is at full strength), but it's nice to have the thought in the back of your mind that maybe a couple teams can at least put up a fight. the regular season means nothing to them. they just need to make it to the playoffs healthy, and they'll be hanging multiple banners in the next 5 years. i hate to say it, but there's no way it's not true. Jeremy Lin = John Lucas III This is just about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yocaseycasey Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 this isn't shit talk, this is a serious inquiry:what the fuck is up with the knicks? how can they possibly be as bad as they are? SO much fucking talent on that team. was it all d'antoni? did they players hate him and just not give a fuck while he was there? is carmelo going to be around next year? I'd say give them time, let Shumpert develop. You mean let Shumpert heal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collectivemike Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 I'd say give them time, let Shumpert develop. You mean let Shumpert heal? Heal from the injury yeah, but also develop... he's still pretty green. Great defender so far but his offense is lacking. If he could knock down one or two more jumpers a game they'd be able to take some minutes away from Bibby and Landry Fields. Speaking of Bibby, I can't believe this dude is still in the NBA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collectivemike Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Not to derail this lovely NBA conversation, but the new Gaslight song is pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linkinparkhood Posted April 30, 2012 Author Share Posted April 30, 2012 Not to derail this lovely NBA conversation, but the new Gaslight song is pretty good. yeah i think more people care about gaslight anthem than basketball. you think the album will be this good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collectivemike Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Yes Casey, I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yocaseycasey Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Not to derail this lovely NBA conversation, but the new Gaslight song is pretty good. yeah i think more people care about gaslight anthem than basketball. you think the album will be this good? GET OUT!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collectivemike Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 T-minus 2 hours until the game starts... I'm going to be on my commute home for the first half I think I'm going to throw up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcm1610 Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Good god, why do you people follow the NBA? Know why the Knicks have all that talent but suck? Because the NBA is full of egotistical "superstars" instead of people who want to win championships as a team. College basketball is fun because 90% of the kids aren't go pro, so they go balls-to-the-wall to win and aren't out for their own brand name and a contract. There is NOTHING I have less interest in than the NBA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danthemjfan23 Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 college basketball sucks. the level of play is SO inferior to the pro game. and i used to absolutely love college ball. the last 10 years (but especially the last 5), the game has really changed though. most of the regular season in the NBA is a waste of time, i totally admit that. and it's a shame. there's definitely something beautiful about watching the best athletes in the world do something they're great at, though. every few days there's a flash of brilliance on the court that - whether you're a fan of the sport or not - will make you go "...wow." playoff basketball is where it's at. and even the first round may be unnecessary. in any given year, there's only 3-4 teams from each conference with a shot at making it to the finals. sure, an 8 seed or a 7 seed might pull a first round upset, but there's no way they're making it to the championship. that's what i love about basketball over hockey and baseball (i consider football a whole different entity since it only takes 1 win, not 4, to advance to the next round). you can see a team who just gets hot at the right time make a run and win the title, when everybody knows they had no business maybe even being in the playoffs in the first place. that doesn't happen in basketball, and i love it. don't get me wrong, i still watch hockey, and i still absolutely love baseball, but the basketball playoffs are the only true gauge in professional sports as to who the best team in the league really is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcm1610 Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 What? So you're saying because there's a lack of parity and only a handful of teams really have a shot at winning, that makes the NBA better than other organizations like the NHL? Obviously I'm biased because I live hockey, but a 7-game NHL series relies on so much more depth than a basketball team that goes maybe 7 or 8 players deep on their bench because EVERY line is important in hockey. If you rely on one line in the regular season, you lose. In basetball, one or two players can carry the team. Who else was on the Lakers besides Kobe and Shaq when they dominated? It doesn't matter. It could've been 3 midgets. If you have Crosby, Ovechkin, and Gretzky and a team full of scrubs, you still aren't going to win it all. The NBA is way, way too reliant on a few big names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danthemjfan23 Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 you clearly just don't know that much about basketball, so it's not worth getting in an argument about team depth in each sport. that's fine. to me, the biggest problem in hockey is that you have a handful of players who are intent on injuring the best players in the league. do they not understand that their own salaries/livelihoods are dependent upon the stars being healthy and in the spotlight? what good does it do for hockey as a whole to have Toews, Hossa, Crosby injured for extended periods of time due to concussions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcm1610 Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 The league is aware of this, and it's a problem that has been apparent just in the last few years and they're slow to correct. It's not a fundamental flaw of the game. Why do you think only 3 or 4 teams having a chance is a good thing? If you look at this year's NHL playoffs alone, it's crazy. A #8 seed upsets the President's Trophy winners in one conference and the other #1 seed barely squeaks out a win on their #8 seed. A perennial favorite is knocked out in the West along with the 2010 Cup winners, while out east the #2 seed / defending champs and the #3 & #4 seeds are knocked out. It baffles me that you think a predictable 3 or 4 teams competing for the NBA champ. is better than an anything-can-happen atmosphere, and that's without it even being necessarily hockey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzersonKillwell Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 To me, the biggest problem in hockey is that you have a handful of players who are intent on injuring the best players in the league. The irony is the NBA is the sport that most needs a system like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcm1610 Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Yea, but if you touch someone's wrist, it's illegal, so it can't get extreme enough to take out stars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collectivemike Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 For the record, I like college basketball more than pro basketball. Matt - you messed up your whole argument when you brought up depth. If to win in the NBA all you needed was two superstars (like you said) then the Knicks would be set. It takes a lot more than that, you've got to have 8, 9, 10 guys that contribute in order to win a title. Look at the Bulls this year... one marquee player, and a bunch of role players. The Heat lost in the finals with the two best players in the league! The Lakers back in 2004 (or 2005? I can't remember) that lost in the finals to the Pistons. The Lakers had FOUR Hall of Famers (granted, Gary Payton and Karl Malone were past their prime) on their team and lost to a team who's best player was Richard Hamilton. Not taking anything away from hockey... I just think that you're a little off base on your assessment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danthemjfan23 Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 sorry, my parents got back in town for the first time in a few months so i was spending some time with them. i think it's a good thing that the best team(s) in the league have the best chance to win the title every year. this is all personal opinion, but to me, it's really fucking cool (like the teams or not) that from 1991-98, the bulls were the best team in basketball. for the next 12 years, the spurs and the lakers have been. and now for the last 2, and presumably the next 5, the heat will be. did they win EVERY championship in that span? no. because sports are still about playing well enough and being lucky enough that some outcomes are a true toss-up. hockey, on the other hand, has had 9 different cup champions in the past 10 years. not because there have been 9 different teams to truly be the best hockey teams in that time frame. i think the general consensus would be that for the last 10 years, the best teams have been the red wings, the devils, and the penguins (maybe i'm wrong?). but when there is literally no advantage for a 1 seed compared to an 8 seed, what is a team's motivation during the regular season? when "anything can happen," why even have a regular season at all? just play a 30 team tournament. it would be just as exciting, if not more so, and you wouldn't have to wait around 82 meaningless games to get seeding that winds up being irrelevant anyway. again, it's just a matter of preference, so i'm not saying i'm right and you're wrong. i'm just saying why i think basketball is more enjoyable to me. it's fun for me to know that every year for the next 5 years, the teams that will be making deep playoff runs are going to be the bulls, the heat, the lakers, the thunder, and the grizzlies. that still leaves 11 open playoff spots for teams to make a surprise run one year. but i like rivalries growing in the playoffs, and teams hating each other because last year the heat knocked us out. to me, there is no intrigue in a phoenix/nashville series. maybe it's because i don't watch enough hockey, but i hardly know any of the players on either team (of course after watching the hawks play the coyotes, i know them now... and i do know a few of the ex-hawks on nashville, but that's not my point), and based on your assessment that every year a whole new batch of teams will be playing for the cup, there's really no point in me getting invested in either team. they're going to be in and out of my life in 7 games if it goes that far. again, just differing points of view for both of us here. i know i'm not going to convince you to think like me, and vice versa. just trying to show you my side of things is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yocaseycasey Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 what the fuck happened to my fire extinguisher!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collectivemike Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Knicks + Bulls = bad news all around EDIT: You know what drove me nuts last night? Kenny Smith devoting the entire halftime segment to praising CJ Watson and John Lucas... guy's losing his marbles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selfreliable Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Dan, the entire NBA season is irrellevant. 16 teams is just waaay too much for the playoffs. You dont even need to try to make the playoffs and still make them. That is why the same teams keep winning in basketball, they get the softer playoff schedule. If baseball and football ( I dont know anything about hockey so I wont pretend to) let that many teams in the playoffs, you would see the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collectivemike Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Dan, the entire NBA season is irrellevant. 16 teams is just waaay too much for the playoffs. You dont even need to try to make the playoffs and still make them. That is why the same teams keep winning in basketball, they get the softer playoff schedule. If baseball and football ( I dont know anything about hockey so I wont pretend to) let that many teams in the playoffs, you would see the same thing. By this logic, if the NBA playoffs consisted of only the top 4 teams in each conference, the same teams would STILL win it every year. They'd just have less chance to be upset by somebody else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selfreliable Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Not at all, it would make the regular season mean something, teams would try harder to actually make the playoffs, possibly meaning that one of the same tams wouldnt make the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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