Guest Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I can't wait to move to canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collectivemike Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 So healthcare + politics = taxes. And immigration + politics = amnesty The high court’s ruling leaves in place 21 tax increases in the health-care law costing more than $675 billion over the next 10 years, according to the House Ways and Means Committee. Of those, 12 tax hikes would affect families earning less than $250,000 per year, the panel said, including a “Cadillac tax” on high-cost insurance plans, a tax on insurance providers, and an excise tax on medical device manufacturers. I don't mind paying taxes. They're a necessary part of living in a first world country. I'd rather pay taxes and be able to get the medicines and treatment I need than not being able to afford private healthcare. I think the vast majority of the country would think the same way if we weren't so divided simply for the sake of division. EDIT: ie Madie's post above. hankmurphy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzersonKillwell Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 I would imagine this "tax" would fall squarely on lower income or middle class families. I can't imagine a bunch of $250,000+ households don't have some type of care already. If I had any faith in the for-profit insurance sector I'd say the broader base and shared burden should reduce costs for everyone. While understanding that some households see a net increase in payment (from zero) I'm generally for that arrangement. But. I have zero faith in those companies so I imagine everyone will pay more whilst simultaneously getting equally fucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catalinacaper Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 and not on others That's what I was implying. I think this generation is much less extreme politically anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajax Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I can't wait to move to canada. take me with you? pwease? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjb2k1 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 pretty sure this is a good thing for america, but i guess we'll see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noodle Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 pretty sure this is a good thing for america, but i guess we'll see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collectivemike Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 I can't wait to move to canada. take me with you? pwease? Yeah, let's all go to Canada because now we have mandatory (not even universal) health care! That'll show Obama we don't agree with his crazy socialist agenda! Oh wait, that makes no sense, because Canada has universal healthcare. And all of Europe. And most of South America. And Australia. And Russia. etc. etc. etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjb2k1 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Yeah, let's all go to Canada because now we have mandatory (not even universal) health care! That'll show Obama we don't agree with his crazy socialist agenda! Oh wait, that makes no sense, because Canada has universal healthcare. And all of Europe. And most of South America. And Australia. And Russia. etc. etc. etc. i always find that statement funny. canada is a bazillion times more socialist than the USA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collectivemike Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 i always find that statement funny. canada is a bazillion times more socialist than the USA. Me too, it's completely uninformed. Drives me nuts. Got The Gloria Record in the mail today by the way - thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajax Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Yeah, let's all go to Canada because now we have mandatory (not even universal) health care! That'll show Obama we don't agree with his crazy socialist agenda! Oh wait, that makes no sense, because Canada has universal healthcare. And all of Europe. And most of South America. And Australia. And Russia. etc. etc. etc. i just want to go to canada just to go to canada. let a girl dream, man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noodle Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 i get a kick out of the canada statement. let's move OMGZ! we hate THE AMERICA!! those who suggest they want to do should probably do research first. and you just can't move to canada. haven't you seen the michael moore movies? jeeeez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradedOnACurve Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 I'm not sure the let's move to Canada statements are negative ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudeboydh Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 The major problem is that the health care industry is still for profit, meaning they're still going to squeeze every penny out of you they can. As long as greedy corporations/people are in control there are going to be problems. I vote for socialized medicine like Canada or Europe, but at least hopefully health insurance will be affordable for me come 2014. We'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjb2k1 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Me too, it's completely uninformed. Drives me nuts. Got The Gloria Record in the mail today by the way - thanks! yeeeeeepglad you got it! enjoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 wow. I had a big long reply typed up but fuck it. not everyone is as 'uninformed' about canada as you may think, and maybe I should have been more clear about my statement, but I actually AM moving there at the end of this year. I live in one of the most dangerous cities in the US, we've had 25 shootings in the past 3 weeks. As far as I'm concerned Canada is a welcome retreat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hipsterasfolk Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 I'll save my long post for Economist boards <3 I really do want to travel to Canada though, I like Elks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collectivemike Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 wow. I had a big long reply typed up but fuck it. not everyone is as 'uninformed' about canada as you may think, and maybe I should have been more clear about my statement, but I actually AM moving there at the end of this year. I live in one of the most dangerous cities in the US, we've had 25 shootings in the past 3 weeks. As far as I'm concerned Canada is a welcome retreat. Wasn't really trying to pick on you, but in the context of this thread there's really no other way to read your comment. Unless you added more information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emo Revival Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 I gotta say as a Canadian I, and any Canadian I talked to about it, always hated the sentiment that if you didn't like what was going on here to just move to Canada. If you don't like it work to change it this country is a democracy you have the power, don't move, fix it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgry Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 I live in one of the most dangerous cities in the US, we've had 25 shootings in the past 3 weeks. Move to Chicago. We have 90 shootings in one weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booyahachieved Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 The major problem is that the health care industry is still for profit, meaning they're still going to squeeze every penny out of you they can. As long as greedy corporations/people are in control there are going to be problems. I vote for socialized medicine like Canada or Europe, but at least hopefully health insurance will be affordable for me come 2014. We'll see. Bingo! We have a winner! It's a major problem when the bottom line is to maximize profit for the sake of your company's shareholders and NOT to see that poeple are healthy and get the crucial medical coverage they need/deserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 I am a bit salty due to the fact that I had to get eye surgery 2 weeks ago, and lost my health insurance a week before I found out I needed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collectivemike Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 See now that's a bummer. This will prevent that from happening to others in the future though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emo Revival Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 I am a bit salty due to the fact that I had to get eye surgery 2 weeks ago, and lost my health insurance a week before I found out I needed it. That does suck, but just moving to Canada won't fix it, you have to become a citizen of Canada to get the universal healthcare just fyi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collectivemike Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 That does suck, but just moving to Canada won't fix it, you have to become a citizen of Canada to get the universal healthcare just fyi No dude that's not how it works, you just cross the border then you can get all the drugs and free chiropractor appointments and vision tests you want! I've seen the movies... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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