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Just stop.

"Most of these bands are broke"... so is the rest of America... that's why we got jobs... sorry but I don't feel bad for these dudes at all.

"Most of these bands are broke"... so is the rest of America... that's why we got jobs... sorry but I don't feel bad for these dudes at all.

I think his point is that if you own the Brand New repress and asked for a refund on Cartel your contradicting yourself

Cartel hates lunch and Wednseday as well, but if you're going out to get something how about grabbing them something for their efforts

I am pretty sure he is talking about copeland who after aaron expressed having his own plans (which i messaged him multiple times on social media to run the reissue idea by him). I had already gotten the go ahead from the label at that point but regardless I backed off with no questions asked. I never got contacted by any lawyers at any point with any release. It takes a ton of work time and work to get a release full cleared and worked out so there are many releases in which i get label clearance and then approach the band about their involvement.
 
If a band who i contact expresses having their own re-issue in the works or do not want the album re-issued for whatever reason then I inform the label that I will be moving forward, and that is it. Many releases which still have yet to see a vinyl release or a reissue, which could have happened by ETR have not for that reason. I always try to do right by the artist, as i did by offering cartel copies at cost for this one which they were planning to do until the manager forgot to respond to me with their decision in which time, contracts with label were already signed and things in motion.
 
In my opinion, all of this was due to poor communication between band and management & the band responded in Feb 2013 saying "awesome and interested, speak to our manager..he is the one who handles these matters" and then sent me his contact which was the last contact i had direct with the band. But someone other than their manager responded to that message, unless their manager was responding in the 3rd person. I was also told by a few people that some interview where people outright stated "I heard ETR got the rights to chroma for a vinyl re-issue, how do you feel about that". I hinted on the VC board about getting the rights over a year ago so maybe it was from that but regards...it was something along those lines where I was specifically mentioned to Will.  Will responded saying "I know nothing about that or who etr is"      I never saw these interview until yesterday but if he that was asked specifically about this when why wouldn't he have asked the manager about it and/or contact me direct at that point.  I also contacted will on facebook direct with shows as being read, which i also mentioned yesterday but that is beside the point.  The fact that they are outright claiming that we had no prior knowledge of this, is my main issue because i made many efforts to bring it to their attention and work out a deal with them which would benefit everyone and be fair to them. I understand that it sucks not owning the rights to your music which is why i offered them copies at cost, but the reality is that the album is controlled by a major label and the band/manager outright told me that they would love to see a re-issue but cannot even get copies of chroma at wholesale from the label & they have no idea about how to obtain the rights. 

You joined VC just to post this? Get the fuck outta here.

Can I just say... I'd like to punch Jason Tate in the mouth and make a gif out of it.

Can I just say... I'd like to punch Jason Tate in the mouth and make a gif out of it.

Can I just say... I'd like to punch Jason Tate in the mouth and make a gif out of it.

I think his point is that if you own the Brand New repress and asked for a refund on Cartel your contradicting yourself

then what would the label be paying for exactly? lol

More cat gifs.

Where has Brand New said anything about anything? I hate to talk about Brand New anymore but that band demands to be heavily involved with the aesthetics of everything they have to put their name on. That's why the AFS press kept getting delayed and why Déjà hasn't been rereleased yet. While I'm making an assumption, I'm sure the band was not happy about that release for obvious reasons.And to answer your second question, I honestly don't care. Cool.

Hey gkersey I'll take your red MOV Devil and God off of you. Wouldn't want that non band approved record stinking up your shelves.

Just stop.

Jason really is an a-hole. 

Cartel hates lunch and Wednseday as well, but if you're going out to get something how about grabbing them something for their efforts

Cartel hates lunch and Wednseday as well, but if you're going out to get something how about grabbing them something for their efforts

Cartel hates lunch and Wednseday as well, but if you're going out to get something how about grabbing them something for their efforts

Dammit. Woke up to this. Asking for a refund.
I had a bad feeling about it after ordering: hence the reason I questioned it. The whole "secret release" strategy. The band not positing about it. The band previously saying in an interview they wanted to do something deluxe for Chroma.
Sending request for refund now. Sorry Ross.

Also, I've bought almost every bad timings release so far but coming in here and posting this shit in a thread is pretty unprofessional. You own a record label now and should keep that in mind now.

read the first fucking post