timsimmons

I think theres 2 types in this thread, those who are bummed/disgusted and don't want to support him and those who know its bad/don't give a shit about it, but want to find a way to move past it, to still be a fan. Both are pushing against the other for different reasons. And I'm not saying the latter group is OK with any of it, but I do think they are making concessions to personal responsibility or at least their empathy, in order to continually enjoy something and not be displaced.

Putting aside that its important to keep talking about about patterns of abusive behavior in order to root it out, I think people keep bringing it up whenever theres news about Ryan because many were huge fans, and when this story broke, they felt betrayed. And on top of it, he's not getting better.

He writes music heavily informed by his life and in particular his relationships. I mean, his whole shtick is being the heartbroken troubadour. Its fine to ignore the personal stuff, and if you can bury your head like an ostrich and not know anything about him and focus only on the music, go for it. More power to you. But if you even know the story, I don't know how you can untangle the two. I don't think people need a resume/wiki check to get into an artist, but if you hear or story or 2 its not unreasonable to have it impact how you view them.

First of all, don't do this. It normalizes behavior like his. Can't give him a pass just because no one is perfect. At the risk of being #notallmen, you can't apples to apples peoples faults, errors, cruelties or crimes. Second, this is REALLY minimizing what he is/was accused of. But at the end of the day, its the power dynamics, emotional manipulation, creepy behavior, and flat out mental abuse that people are taking issue with. I HOPE people are pointing this out in their daily lives and not just on twitter or some messageboard. If we want a better society we have to hold people accountable and thats what people seem to be doing with Ryan. this is bullshit, no one is dogging him when he's not in the news. He's the one writing letters to the daily Mail or agreeing to interviews with LA magazines. And when he pops up, he wants the credit for doing the time, but doesn't want to put in the work. There has been no sincere or thorough mea culpa from him. That article makes it look like he's made some strides, but then when you see his IG meltdowns, you have to question whats really real. Do I hope he owns this, tries to make himself better, and be an advocate so he could come back? Absolutely. He's crazy talented. But if you are gonna treat people like shit (which has always been his pattern), do minimal leg work, want the credit and then whine that its others people fault thats keeping you down and not own your own shortcomings, well, you're gonna get called out every time you surface.

You’re right it’s not black and white. but also, this is not recent behavior. Since whiskeytown he’s demonstrated time and time again a pattern of toxic behavior. There are countless examples that come to mind from my almost 20 years of hardcore fandom. For a long time, me and certainly others wrote it off as rock n roll assholish behavior. But through the spectrum of the NYT article, it’s clear that it’s bigger and more ingrained than that. he does need help. I hope he truly makes amends and works to better himself (it’s not done after 2 years of radio silence and an apology in the daily mail (of all papers). A redemption story is one everyone loves. I hope he gets one. I’m just not optimistic.

He does look swollen

What a drama queen

Does your table have a dust cover?

Love that Dilophosaurus JP variant. That was a fun one to open. Still one of the coolest looking records I own.

god. remember when that was a thing with them?

huh. on that IG live video he did say black later down the line. I assumed he meant just not from the get go with this silver/gold press.

Yeah. It’s this.

Peppa’s Adventures is a very real album

Album of the year. Sorry guys.

He confirmed in that IG post that black will happen.

In a world that’s constantly changing, it’s nice to know I could have counted on that for the past 20 years.

Huh. I’m sure there’s a photo book that’s worth making out there. glad they are gonna keep rolling with archival releases. Would definitely pay $75 for a SD era show

Well, at least he’s still lording unreleased albums over peoples heads to get what he wants.

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CR6XFzfqOEk/?utm_medium=copy_link

In for that Primal Scream Live LP.

This Viper show will be available to buy this Saturday.

OK, Muse is the biggest band in the world.

Muse is big, not denying that. They aren't as big as Coldplay though.

If Muse isn't playing stadiums in N. America, the edge goes to Coldplay.