+hecollec+or Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I am friends with the director of Sinister. I told him he gave me nightmares for weeks. That movie is so creepy to me! I liked insidious and insidious 2! Damn, that is fucking awesome! I've liked all his flicks so far (even Hellraiser: Inferno), but I seriously consider Sinister to be a masterpiece of scary cinema... the ultra haunting score (which NEEDS to be pressed), his style of filming, the jump scares, the pervasive creep factor, those damn "home movies". I've seen it 5 or 6 times & it fucks with me every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Stitches <3. Great pick Rain. I actually don't mind sexual horror. I mean yeah it's fucked up, but that's the fun part. I was just talking to my friend about Serbian Film earlier and I said "is it weird that I've watched that movie 3 times?" The first time by myself, the second time with my cousin and her husband (thispartysucks128), and then the third time with my girlfriend. Oh, and L for Libido might be one of my favorites from ABC's Of Death. Something might be wrong with me. Sorry guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeeMoreGlass Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Pumped for this!! Didn't get on VC yesterday so I will watch Stitches and Tapes tonight to make up!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeeMoreGlass Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Stitches <3. Great pick Rain. I actually don't mind sexual horror. I mean yeah it's fucked up, but that's the fun part. I was just talking to my friend about Serbian Film earlier and I said "is it weird that I've watched that movie 3 times?" The first time by myself, the second time with my cousin and her husband (thispartysucks128), and then the third time with my girlfriend. Oh, and L for Libido might be one of my favorites from ABC's Of Death. Something might be wrong with me. Sorry guys. Nothing wrong with that broski!! I've seen Salo 3 times and Cannibal Holocaust is one of my favorite horror flicks...I think more or less it is about the subtext...cause sex in a horror movie, especially horror films like that, generally are symbolic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+hecollec+or Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Stitches <3. Great pick Rain. I actually don't mind sexual horror. I mean yeah it's fucked up, but that's the fun part. I was just talking to my friend about Serbian Film earlier and I said "is it weird that I've watched that movie 3 times?" The first time by myself, the second time with my cousin and her husband (thispartysucks128), and then the third time with my girlfriend. Oh, and L for Libido might be one of my favorites from ABC's Of Death. Something might be wrong with me. Sorry guys. Nah, there's (probly ) nothing wrong with you. Everyone's different & that's a good thing. There's just certain things I can't unsee so if I know about particular thematic elements ahead of time I just steer clear (like the stuff I mentioned above, also real life animal killing) Sadly Stitches was not one of my picks, but I really enjoy it so wanted to convey how I hope everyone finds it as entertaining as I did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeeMoreGlass Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Nah, there's (probly ) nothing wrong with you. Everyone's different & that's a good thing. There's just certain things I can't unsee so if I know about particular thematic elements ahead of time I just steer clear (like the stuff I mentioned above, also real life animal killing) Sadly Stitches was not one of my picks, but I really enjoy it so wanted to convey how I hope everyone finds it as entertaining as I did Real life animal killing is inexcusable...thats the only thing I absolutely hate about Cannibal Holocaust...I always skip the part where they kill the turtle... The meaning behind that film is so fucking good that I can't just write it off... My love of cinema and veganism are in direct conflict with that one.... Also, I don't know if anyone is interested but James Rolfe (The Angry Video Game Nerd) is doing his annual Monster Madness reviews on cinemassacre.com...He does a review a day of horror films for the whole month of October. Yesterday he did Cabin in the Woods and today is the Silent German classic Haxan (both are fantastic films) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+hecollec+or Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Real life animal killing is inexcusable...thats the only thing I absolutely hate about Cannibal Holocaust...I always skip the part where they kill the turtle... The meaning behind that film is so fucking good that I can't just write it off... My love of cinema and veganism are in direct conflict with that one.... That's actually the reason I've never watched Cannibal Holocaust (that & the rape scene(s?)). Killing animals for "entertainment" is repulsive. That being said I should give it a shot & just ff past the animal stuff. I doubt the rape stuff is so extreme I can't handle it (I loved the ISOYG remake, only because the last half is awesome & her revenge made me smile & cheer). Hell I've seen Irreversible & as utterly horrible as that 9 minute scene was I made it through, albeit a little scarred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeeMoreGlass Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 That's actually the reason I've never watched Cannibal Holocaust (that & the rape scene(s?)). Killing animals for "entertainment" is repulsive. That being said I should give it a shot & just ff past the animal stuff. I doubt the rape stuff is so extreme I can't handle it (I loved the ISOYG remake, only because the last half is awesome & her revenge made me smile & cheer). Hell I've seen Irreversible & as utterly horrible as that 9 minute scene was I made it through, albeit a little scarred. It is not even close to Irreversable...just fast forward through the animal stuff cause it really is a fantastic film.. Also, you should watch the original ISOYG as well because other than the 40 minute long rape scene it is a great film...so ahead of its time... I can't even think of a film that has "bothered" me in terms of violence...I Stand Alone was pretty rough (same director as Irreversable)...Martyrs really stayed with me but I don't think I am alone in that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+hecollec+or Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 It is not even close to Irreversable...just fast forward through the animal stuff cause it really is a fantastic film.. Also, you should watch the original ISOYG as well because other than the 40 minute long rape scene it is a great film...so ahead of its time... I can't even think of a film that has "bothered" me in terms of violence...I Stand Alone was pretty rough (same director as Irreversable)...Martyrs really stayed with me but I don't think I am alone in that... You've sold me on CH, I'll def check it out. I saw the original ISOYG when I was a kid & can honestly say I'll never go back. From what I remember, it consists of about an hour of sexual terror & violence & maybe 20 minutes of revenge (the only reason I put myself through it was knowing she'd get vengeance). The disproportion of sexual abuse to her revenge made me sick. It went on far too long after the director got his point across & imo became little more than a misogynistic glorification of her degradation, complete with borderline pornographic nudity & sequences that seemed designed to turn on people who like seeing women suffer. I'm certainly not saying all fans of the film like it for that reason, it just felt like a rape porno masquerading as a feminist piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeeMoreGlass Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 You've sold me on CH, I'll def check it out. I saw the original ISOYG when I was a kid & can honestly say I'll never go back. From what I remember, it consists of about an hour of sexual terror & violence & maybe 20 minutes of revenge (the only reason I put myself through it was knowing she'd get vengeance). The disproportion of sexual abuse to her revenge made me sick. It went on far too long after the director got his point across & imo became little more than a misogynistic glorification of her degradation, complete with borderline pornographic nudity & sequences that seemed designed to turn on people who like seeing women suffer. I'm certainly not saying all fans of the film like it for that reason, it just felt like a rape porno masquerading as a feminist piece. Wow man, as a feminist myself, I never really thought of it that way...I might have to take another look at it and see if it holds up for me... Honestly I think the brutal rape is so long for the reason that it makes you sick. The realism of it really makes you disgusted with people who would do something like that to someone else. Ultimately I think it came from a time when misogyny was rampant and men were getting away with rape on a more frequent basis because of it. I think this is the directors response to that. I mean I completely see your argument, but if he wanted to make a snuff film where a woman gets raped why would he bother with the revenge scenes and why would he make them so grotesque...I mean I am not squeemish at all but the scene where she cuts the guys dick off in the bathtub is intense. Ultimately the audience sides with Jennifer in the end... So anyway...I feel the point is to rub your face in it so much that there is no way anyone can justify the behavior... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+hecollec+or Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Wow man, as a feminist myself, I never really thought of it that way...I might have to take another look at it and see if it holds up for me... Honestly I think the brutal rape is so long for the reason that it makes you sick. The realism of it really makes you disgusted with people who would do something like that to someone else. Ultimately I think it came from a time when misogyny was rampant and men were getting away with rape on a more frequent basis because of it. I think this is the directors response to that. I mean I completely see your argument, but if he wanted to make a snuff film where a woman gets raped why would he bother with the revenge scenes and why would he make them so grotesque...I mean I am not squeemish at all but the scene where she cuts the guys dick off in the bathtub is intense. Ultimately the audience sides with Jennifer in the end... So anyway...I feel the point is to rub your face in it so much that there is no way anyone can justify the behavior... Very good points, I guess I didn't think of it that way either. The reason I respect the remake is that it felt more evened out. Yes there was the truly horrible shit those guys did to her, which made you want to see them get theirs. But then the second half of the film/Jennifer comes roaring back with an extreme vengeance & those fucking rapists get whats coming to them in spades. I actually cheered as she started her reign of revenge. The original seemed to be far more focused on her pain & nudity, and much less of her overcoming what she went through & sending her abusers to hell. I think I would have liked it had their been more substantial justice; as is it just felt like the end was tossed in to justify showing us an hour of perverse humiliation. Not saying I'm right or wrong, just my thoughts. One reason I love horror so much is often, & contrary to popular belief in the media, women are show as strong & determined. Sure, countless victims in horror are women, but they are also consistently the ones who fight till the end & ultimately overcome the threat against them. Look at any of the Friday the 13th, NOES or Halloween films, or even a large portion of 80's slashers. 99% of the time the lead is female & eventually kills (or at least postpones the killings of) the villain. I absolutely hate watching a horror film where a female lead goes through hell only to die or have her torment extended at the end. I get that that sort of ending could be defined as "true horror", but I prefer some semblance of catharsis at the end of a really grueling horror flick. Sure Jennifer takes down the guys at the end but after all she went through it just wasn't enough imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladewillisisdead Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Watched An American Werewolf in London for the first time since I was like 10. It was the first R-rated horror movie I ever saw. My dad rented it and my mom was PISSED. She stood in the other room staring at my dad to make sure he covered my eyes during the nudity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+hecollec+or Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Watched An American Werewolf in London for the first time since I was like 10. It was the first R-rated horror movie I ever saw. My dad rented it and my mom was PISSED. She stood in the other room staring at my dad to make sure he covered my eyes during the nudity. Ah parents.... nudity/sex BAD! Violence ok! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Logan Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Feminist talk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeeMoreGlass Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Very good points, I guess I didn't think of it that way either. The reason I respect the remake is that it felt more evened out. Yes there was the truly horrible shit those guys did to her, which made you want to see them get theirs. But then the second half of the film/Jennifer comes roaring back with an extreme vengeance & those fucking rapists get whats coming to them in spades. I actually cheered as she started her reign of revenge. The original seemed to be far more focused on her pain & nudity, and much less of her overcoming what she went through & sending her abusers to hell. I think I would have liked it had their been more substantial justice; as is it just felt like the end was tossed in to justify showing us an hour of perverse humiliation. Not saying I'm right or wrong, just my thoughts. One reason I love horror so much is often, & contrary to popular belief in the media, women are show as strong & determined. Sure, countless victims in horror are women, but they are also consistently the ones who fight till the end & ultimately overcome the threat against them. Look at any of the Friday the 13th, NOES or Halloween films, or even a large portion of 80's slashers. 99% of the time the lead is female & eventually kills (or at least postpones the killings of) the villain. I absolutely hate watching a horror film where a female lead goes through hell only to die or have her torment extended at the end. I get that that sort of ending could be defined as "true horror", but I prefer some semblance of catharsis at the end of a really grueling horror flick. I absolutely agree in terms of the strong female protagonist, and I totally see your thoughts on ISOYG, but again I would argue that the focus on her pain and nudity is the whole point....I didn't really like the remake because I felt it was a little watered down and not as poignant as the original Assuming you have seen it...how do you feel about the original Last House On The Left? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+hecollec+or Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I absolutely agree in terms of the strong female protagonist, and I totally see your thoughts on ISOYG, but again I would argue that the focus on her pain and nudity is the whole point....I didn't really like the remake because I felt it was a little watered down and not as poignant as the original Assuming you have seen it...how do you feel about the original Last House On The Left? I respect the original & am a fan. It did not feel blatantly exploitative like ISOYG though there is a few stomach-churning things in it. But it was not die-hard focused on the nudity. I guess I don't see the point of centering so much on nudity during awful events. I feel like it's attempting to sexualize an otherwise horrific trauma. I get that nudity is not inherently sexual, but when it's the focal point of rape scenes like in ISOYG, it seems like it's fetishizing the act & attempting to titillate the viewer. I don't agree with censorship but I understand where a group like the BBFC is coming from. They primarily only cut elements that could potentially endorse or normalize sexual violence. Both ISOYG's were cut, much of it the excess nudity that really had no point in terms of progressing a story. I will also say I absolutely love the LHOTL remake. That movie is a damn masterpiece. Edit: On the watered down aspect of the ISOYG remake, I prefer it that way: less female abasement, more violence against her abusers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeeMoreGlass Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I respect the original & am a fan. It did not feel blatantly exploitative like ISOYG though there is a few stomach-churning things in it. But it was not die-hard focused on the nudity. I guess I don't see the point of centering so much on nudity during awful events. I feel like it's attempting to sexualize an otherwise horrific trauma. I get that nudity is not inherently sexual, but when it's the focal point of rape scenes like in ISOYG, it seems like it's fetishizing the act & attempting to titillate the viewer. I don't agree with censorship but I understand where a group like the BBFC is coming from. They primarily only cut elements that could potentially endorse or normalize sexual violence. Both ISOYG's were cut, much of it the excess nudity that really had no point in terms of progressing a story. I will also say I absolutely love the LHOTL remake. That movie is a damn masterpiece. That is so interesting especially because the girl actually dies in the original so there is no female protagonist overcoming her attacker, I actually found that film more disturbing than ISOYG because the humiliation was so intense and there was really no chance for her or her friend to get retribution. I know because of the ending that she is "avenged" so to speak but she is still dead. I find that to be more bleak. At least in ISOYG she lived through it. Yes it was tragic, but she overcame her surroundings and survived. I love both of the original films more than their remakes, but I enjoyed the LHOTL remake a lot in spite of the ending with the microwave...I thought that was a little bit hammy...and this is going to sound strange but I was a little disappointed that sara paxton survived the whole thing...I felt like it took some of the power away from the story.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacredheart Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 In Cannibal Holocaust they are least gave the animals to the natives when they killed it so they would eat it. Yeah it is sad they killed it for entertainment, but it was given to people who actually eat the animals on a daily basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noalarmplanet Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 I just watched Jeepers Creepers for the first time yesterday. I loved it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+hecollec+or Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 That is so interesting especially because the girl actually dies in the original so there is no female protagonist overcoming her attacker, I actually found that film more disturbing than ISOYG because the humiliation was so intense and there was really no chance for her or her friend to get retribution. I know because of the ending that she is "avenged" so to speak but she is still dead. I find that to be more bleak. At least in ISOYG she lived through it. Yes it was tragic, but she overcame her surroundings and survived. I love both of the original films more than their remakes, but I enjoyed the LHOTL remake a lot in spite of the ending with the microwave...I thought that was a little bit hammy...and this is going to sound strange but I was a little disappointed that sara paxton survived the whole thing...I felt like it took some of the power away from the story.... I get where you're coming from. True they both die but in a way she lived on through her mother who did what she had to to avenge her daughter's death. But like you said, she is still dead. For me that raises the question, is it better to go on in life with a terrible trauma that has emotionally & potentially physically scarred the person for life? Not saying one way or the other but it's something I've thought about. And one reason I elevate the LHOTL remake above the original is the fact that she does live. If she hadn't attempted to "swim for it" she probably wouldn't have (in the same way that someone who slits their wrists in a full bath has a better chance of survival, circulation & whatnot.) She overcame went she went through, not by getting revenge but by surviving with skills she knew, athleticism. Up until that point I had written her off, but the screenwriters tweaked it a bit & I believe it worked. And yeah, the microwave thing was cheesy, but the last hour of that film, holy shit, fucking intense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noalarmplanet Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 Very good points, I guess I didn't think of it that way either. The reason I respect the remake is that it felt more evened out. Yes there was the truly horrible shit those guys did to her, which made you want to see them get theirs. But then the second half of the film/Jennifer comes roaring back with an extreme vengeance & those fucking rapists get whats coming to them in spades. I actually cheered as she started her reign of revenge. The original seemed to be far more focused on her pain & nudity, and much less of her overcoming what she went through & sending her abusers to hell. I think I would have liked it had their been more substantial justice; as is it just felt like the end was tossed in to justify showing us an hour of perverse humiliation. Not saying I'm right or wrong, just my thoughts. One reason I love horror so much is often, & contrary to popular belief in the media, women are show as strong & determined. Sure, countless victims in horror are women, but they are also consistently the ones who fight till the end & ultimately overcome the threat against them. Look at any of the Friday the 13th, NOES or Halloween films, or even a large portion of 80's slashers. 99% of the time the lead is female & eventually kills (or at least postpones the killings of) the villain. I absolutely hate watching a horror film where a female lead goes through hell only to die or have her torment extended at the end. I get that that sort of ending could be defined as "true horror", but I prefer some semblance of catharsis at the end of a really grueling horror flick. Sure Jennifer takes down the guys at the end but after all she went through it just wasn't enough imo. I took horror class in high school and I do like that aspect of horror. In a lot of supernatural/slasher horror there is no protagonist really until one emerges usually this is a women who's innocence is spoiled by violence instead of sex. It is weird to me that horror has a predilection towards punish people who have sex but that's another thing. It'll be interesting to see horror evolve the next few years as we become more progressive. (BTW I would consider myself a feminist as well) I don't understand where there aren't more female hero's in movies and video games. I want to see more bad ass women on screen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+hecollec+or Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I took horror class in high school and I do like that aspect of horror. In a lot of supernatural/slasher horror there is no protagonist really until one emerges usually this is a women who's innocence is spoiled by violence instead of sex. It is weird to me that horror has a predilection towards punish people who have sex but that's another thing. It'll be interesting to see horror evolve the next few years as we become more progressive. (BTW I would consider myself a feminist as well) I don't understand where there aren't more female hero's in movies and video games. I want to see more bad ass women on screen. I think horror's tendency to punish sexual people is a reflection of our society. Violence is generally tossed off but sex is still a huge no-no (ex.... the MPAA & their leniency with violence but prudishness with sex; NBC's Hannibal: they get away with insane amounts of violence & gore (by network TV standards) but any nudity, however innocuous, is censored). In other countries (Europe) sex isn't taboo, in the US it's still a dirty little secret that many are ashamed to discuss. Hopefully this will change. Totally agree.... I love love love powerful women & so many more need to be out their in media. I was hoping a new trend would start after Kill Bill (& in a way it has, Aeon Flux, Colombiana, Scandal, AHS, etc...), but not enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladew1ll1s1sdead Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I seen Sinister twice in the cinema. I fucking loved it. It made me have hope for new horror. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Watched An American Werewolf in London for the first time since I was like 10. It was the first R-rated horror movie I ever saw. My dad rented it and my mom was PISSED. She stood in the other room staring at my dad to make sure he covered my eyes during the nudity. God I love this movie. Probably in my top 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladewillisisdead Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Gender in horror movies is a super interesting topic and I really wish I wasn't at work right now so I could jump in on this discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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