The Chariot back catalog

[kriss]

Hey,

I know there was a thread discussing the records prior to Long Live several months back being pressed onto vinyl(s)(*snicker*), but I can't seem to find it now. Is Solid State pretty much holding this up or what? It'd be nice to have those records on the shelf beside Long Live for sure.

(again, sorry for the redundancy - I really couldn't find the aforementioned thread where this was discussed prior)

[stopthisnoise]

I remember someone mentioning that it would be almost impossible to do that. don't quote me on that though

[mindovermatter]

To my knowledge, more than one label has tried, and even the band has suggested the idea to the label...but the label is insisting that they will do it themselves. They make this promise with a lot of releases that will more than likely never see the light of day (sadly).

[Shitty Rambo]

Last I read it would depend on how well Long Live sold on vinyl.

The fact the initial 7" sold so well helped justify the pressing of Long Live which would in turn justify the back catalog.

[cactusbot]

To my knowledge, more than one label has tried, and even the band has suggested the idea to the label...but the label is insisting that they will do it themselves. They make this promise with a lot of releases that will more than likely never see the light of day (sadly).

This is the truth of the situation.

[somethingvinyl]

IMHO, when The Chariot make a more accessible album like "They're Only Chasing Safety" and T&N can start marketing them more across the board in the CCM market, then the rest of the stuff will become readily available.

It's all about profit in the music biz.

[chuck]

when The Chariot make a more accessible album like "They're Only Chasing Safety"

this will never happen

[thejesseb]

when The Chariot make a more accessible album like "They're Only Chasing Safety"

this will never happen

And im thankful for that. If they did, it wouldnt be The CHariot

[somethingvinyl]

Don't say never. I grew up near Underoath in Florida. While they were making those first two CDs, those guys would never have thought they would make that album like They're Only Chasing Safety. It will take lots of sales for T&N to decide to press anything.

All I'm saying is that it's a business like anything else.

[daegor]

and fuck you for getting me excited for a moment

[Shitty Rambo]

Don't say never. I grew up near Underoath in Florida. While they were making those first two CDs, those guys would never have thought they would make that album like They're Only Chasing Safety. It will take lots of sales for T&N to decide to press anything.

All I'm saying is that it's a business like anything else.

No it would not. I've worked with Matt Goldman who has produced albums by both The Chariot and Underoath and the former is pretty loyal to their craft.

Not everyone is persuaded by money and willing to compromise their integrity to make a quick buck.

[xadamhudsonx]

Don't say never. I grew up near Underoath in Florida. While they were making those first two CDs, those guys would never have thought they would make that album like They're Only Chasing Safety. It will take lots of sales for T&N to decide to press anything.

All I'm saying is that it's a business like anything else.

I understand that it would take lots of sales for T&N to press anything, which makes sense. They don't want to press a record that sits around their warehouse for years.

So what is their argument against licensing the rights to press the back catalog to another label? They get paid for the rights and don't have to worry about whether the stuff sells or not.

[cactusbot]

I guess the argument is: if we can't make a bunch of money off of it, we don't want anyone else to.

That's the only thing I can think of honestly.

[somethingvinyl]

Don't say never. I grew up near Underoath in Florida. While they were making those first two CDs, those guys would never have thought they would make that album like They're Only Chasing Safety. It will take lots of sales for T&N to decide to press anything.

All I'm saying is that it's a business like anything else.

No it would not. I've worked with Matt Goldman who has produced albums by both The Chariot and Underoath and the former is pretty loyal to their craft.

Not everyone is persuaded by money and willing to compromise their integrity to make a quick buck.

Your point and namedropping are both moot.

Here's what I'm saying:

Underoath circa 1998-2000 wouldn't have imagined their third album would sound like it did. That wasn't the direction they were moving in. Those guys didn't sell out. Dallas departed. They got Spencer, who dicked over This Runs Through. They made a great album albeit it was not their brand of metal and became HUGE.

If The Chariot were do the same thing (not when but if), then their catalog will get pressed on vinyl quicker because it will mean additional sales to match their expanding audience. When the market opens up, you fill it with product. Simple economics.

I'm talking about accessibility and a larger audience, not the band's integrity. Maybe more vinyl will come, maybe it won't. But it hinges on money. Obviously, if The Chariot controlled everything, their stuff would be pressed.

[jordan999]

No it would not. I've worked with Matt Goldman who has produced albums by both The Chariot and Underoath and the former is pretty loyal to their craft.

Not everyone is persuaded by money and willing to compromise their integrity to make a quick buck.

Your point and namedropping are both moot.

Here's what I'm saying:

Underoath circa 1998-2000 wouldn't have imagined their third album would sound like it did. That wasn't the direction they were moving in. Those guys didn't sell out. Dallas departed. They got Spencer, who dicked over This Runs Through. They made a great album albeit it was not their brand of metal and became HUGE.

If The Chariot were do the same thing (not when but if), then their catalog will get pressed on vinyl quicker because it will mean additional sales to match their expanding audience. When the market opens up, you fill it with product. Simple economics.

I'm talking about accessibility and a larger audience, not the band's integrity. Maybe more vinyl will come, maybe it won't. But it hinges on money. Obviously, if The Chariot controlled everything, their stuff would be pressed.

Did Underoath's back catalog get pressed after they changed their sound?

[chuck]

Your point and namedropping are both moot.

Here's what I'm saying:

Underoath circa 1998-2000 wouldn't have imagined their third album would sound like it did. That wasn't the direction they were moving in. Those guys didn't sell out. Dallas departed. They got Spencer, who dicked over This Runs Through. They made a great album albeit it was not their brand of metal and became HUGE.

If The Chariot were do the same thing (not when but if), then their catalog will get pressed on vinyl quicker because it will mean additional sales to match their expanding audience. When the market opens up, you fill it with product. Simple economics.

I'm talking about accessibility and a larger audience, not the band's integrity. Maybe more vinyl will come, maybe it won't. But it hinges on money. Obviously, if The Chariot controlled everything, their stuff would be pressed.

Did Underoath's back catalog get pressed after they changed their sound?

Nothing pre-TOCS has been pressed

[mattisr1984]

i would think if long live does well on vinyl, it might grease the wheels a bit but what do i know.

i was going to say the chariot is one of the last T&N/SS bands worth a damn, but theyre not even with them anymore.

[somethingvinyl]

Your point and namedropping are both moot.

Here's what I'm saying:

Underoath circa 1998-2000 wouldn't have imagined their third album would sound like it did. That wasn't the direction they were moving in. Those guys didn't sell out. Dallas departed. They got Spencer, who dicked over This Runs Through. They made a great album albeit it was not their brand of metal and became HUGE.

If The Chariot were do the same thing (not when but if), then their catalog will get pressed on vinyl quicker because it will mean additional sales to match their expanding audience. When the market opens up, you fill it with product. Simple economics.

I'm talking about accessibility and a larger audience, not the band's integrity. Maybe more vinyl will come, maybe it won't. But it hinges on money. Obviously, if The Chariot controlled everything, their stuff would be pressed.

Did Underoath's back catalog get pressed after they changed their sound?

Good point. No. But after They're Only Chasing Safety, everything they've done has been readily available for years. Define The Great Line was available for a while after the release (I got through Facedown Records' distro for like $10). And since that album, everything has been available.

[kriss]

Thanks for the responses back on this everyone!

It bums me out that T&N wouldn't press up 500 or so copies each of those records as I'm sure a good portion of them would sell right off the bat and the rest could be sold off to distros and such who would keep them around for awhile until they moved.

Honestly, T&N/SS used to be one of my favorites until about 2003 or so and it seems like they took a major turn after that (some could argue they did that as early as 98 or 99), I just remember when they had the 7" club and would press all sorts of stuff on vinyl (Joe Christmas, Roadside Monument, etc) that had way less popularity than the likes of The Chariot.

Ah well.

[Shitty Rambo]

No it would not. I've worked with Matt Goldman who has produced albums by both The Chariot and Underoath and the former is pretty loyal to their craft.

Not everyone is persuaded by money and willing to compromise their integrity to make a quick buck.

Your point and namedropping are both moot.

Here's what I'm saying:

Underoath circa 1998-2000 wouldn't have imagined their third album would sound like it did. That wasn't the direction they were moving in. Those guys didn't sell out. Dallas departed. They got Spencer, who dicked over This Runs Through. They made a great album albeit it was not their brand of metal and became HUGE.

If The Chariot were do the same thing (not when but if), then their catalog will get pressed on vinyl quicker because it will mean additional sales to match their expanding audience. When the market opens up, you fill it with product. Simple economics.

I'm talking about accessibility and a larger audience, not the band's integrity. Maybe more vinyl will come, maybe it won't. But it hinges on money. Obviously, if The Chariot controlled everything, their stuff would be pressed.

cute.