kickinfatbeats Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 are promo albums typically valued any differently than a standard copy? i bought a record that has the top right corner of the jacket clipped off because it is a promo. just curious how this affects the value of the record. thanks in advance.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcm1610 Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Not particularly, and definitely not older LPs as they're quite easy to stumble across as radio stations and the like dumped their catalogs. Here and there you might find something special, but in general they're just another copy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickinfatbeats Posted August 11, 2011 Author Share Posted August 11, 2011 ok that's cool, really i was just more concerned with the possibility of it being less valuable than a standard copy, being that i paid more than i really wanted to for this album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefwahoo Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 An otherwise NM cover would easily drop a grade or two because of a clipped corner. Many collectors wouldn't even want it. Granted, a lot of this has to do with the supply and demand of the album. It is definitely worth less than a copy without a clipped corner. You can argue that a gold promo stamp wouldn't affect the value, but not a cut corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickinfatbeats Posted August 11, 2011 Author Share Posted August 11, 2011 bummer. guess i did indeed pay too much in that case. =( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefwahoo Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Sorry, dude, wasn't trying to bring you down. But in the internet age, it's almost like people completely disregard grading standards. Here's Goldmine's definition , which is recognized as the standard: Very Good Plus (VG+) Generally worth 50 percent of the Near Mint value. A Very Good Plus record will show some signs that it was played and otherwise handled by a previous owner who took good care of it. Record surfaces may show some signs of wear and may have slight scuffs or very light scratches that don't affect one's listening experiences. Slight warps that do not affect the sound are "OK". The label may have some ring wear or discoloration, but it should be barely noticeable. The center hole will not have been misshapen by repeated play. Picture sleeves and LP inner sleeves will have some slight wear, lightly turned up corners, or a slight seam split. An LP cover may have slight signs of wear also and may be marred by a cut-out hole, indentation or corner indicating it was taken out of print and sold at a discount. In general, if not for a couple things wrong with it, this would be Near Mint. All but the most mint-crazy collectors will find a Very Good Plus record highly acceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
000000 Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 and in some cases, promo helps it. i have a copy of Dear Catastrophe Waitress with a slightly different cover and the barcode hole-punched that i can't even find another copy like it haha. so thats gotta be worth something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
000000 Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 and in some cases, promo helps it. i have a copy of Dear Catastrophe Waitress with a slightly different cover and the barcode hole-punched that i can't even find another copy like it haha. so thats gotta be worth something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsheaz28 Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 On a plus side, if your just interested in the music, a lot of the promo suff was the very first press. So a lot of the time (mostly with older LP's) they just sound better due to them being pressed first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsheaz28 Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 On a plus side, if your just interested in the music, a lot of the promo suff was the very first press. So a lot of the time (mostly with older LP's) they just sound better due to them being pressed first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickinfatbeats Posted August 11, 2011 Author Share Posted August 11, 2011 no worries! just good to have an idea what's up. much appreciated. FYI the album in question is QOTSA's songs for the deaf on red wax, ipecac label... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickinfatbeats Posted August 11, 2011 Author Share Posted August 11, 2011 no worries! just good to have an idea what's up. much appreciated. FYI the album in question is QOTSA's songs for the deaf on red wax, ipecac label... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robx Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 white label promo = occasionally worth more clipped corners no white label = almost never worth more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robx Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 white label promo = occasionally worth more clipped corners no white label = almost never worth more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonbeams Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 I haven't purchased any clip corners yet, but in the past where I thought it would be unthinkable, now I don't know if I would mind. You won't see it on the shelf and it doesn't change the sound of the music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonbeams Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 I haven't purchased any clip corners yet, but in the past where I thought it would be unthinkable, now I don't know if I would mind. You won't see it on the shelf and it doesn't change the sound of the music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobfrombob Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 I assume this is common knowledge but maybe not.... "Back in the day", when records were deleted (no longer available), the compaines would either punch the hole or cut off a corner of the remaining stock, and then sell the remaining stock at a discount. So if it didn't have the golden stamp or the label, a promo copy was identical to a deleted copy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobfrombob Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 I assume this is common knowledge but maybe not.... "Back in the day", when records were deleted (no longer available), the compaines would either punch the hole or cut off a corner of the remaining stock, and then sell the remaining stock at a discount. So if it didn't have the golden stamp or the label, a promo copy was identical to a deleted copy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davehoffa Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 It also means you're getting an original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davehoffa Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 It also means you're getting an original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retrospectacle Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 If you don't dig the saw cut, hole punch, or cut corner, why not add it to your collection anyway then replace it when you come across another without? It still will sound good, it just came out of the discount rack, is all. And when it comes to promos, what you really want are the white label promos. These were literally first pressings that were meant to sound better for demonstration purposes and for play on radio. A gold stamped promo is no different than what you would have bought off the shelf at your local record shop... in most cases. If the LP was released in the late 70's or the 80's, some promos used a process called Direct Metal Mastering (DMM), like Tom Waits' Big Time or Quiex II, like Dire Straits' Brothers In Arms. These are considered extremely limited and of auidiophile quality and go for much more than a standard pressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retrospectacle Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 If you don't dig the saw cut, hole punch, or cut corner, why not add it to your collection anyway then replace it when you come across another without? It still will sound good, it just came out of the discount rack, is all. And when it comes to promos, what you really want are the white label promos. These were literally first pressings that were meant to sound better for demonstration purposes and for play on radio. A gold stamped promo is no different than what you would have bought off the shelf at your local record shop... in most cases. If the LP was released in the late 70's or the 80's, some promos used a process called Direct Metal Mastering (DMM), like Tom Waits' Big Time or Quiex II, like Dire Straits' Brothers In Arms. These are considered extremely limited and of auidiophile quality and go for much more than a standard pressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somethingvinyl Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 There was just a thread about this a month ago. We basically hashed all this out: http://vinylcollective.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=63044&start=0 And to quote myself since I took some time with my thoughts: Actually, promo copies of older albums are considerable more collectible in many instances. The idea behind it being that they were the first records off the line, thus closer to the original pressing and sound better (sound deteriorates after multiple repressing from the same plates). For instance the difference between original pressings and promo pressings can be significant: Beach Boys - "Smiley Smile" Original mono pressing: http://www.popsike.com/the-beach-boys-lp-smiley-smileMONO/150594126659.html Beach Boys - "Smiley Smile" Promo: http://www.popsike.com/BEACH-BOYSSMILEY-SMILEORIG-1967-PROMO-MONO-LPMINT-/160453685037.html ... Miles Davis - "Kind of Blue" Mono: http://www.popsike.com/Rare-JAZZMiles-DavisKind-of-BlueMONONMSUPERB/250800804079.html Miles Davis - "Kind of Blue" Mono Promo: http://www.popsike.com/MILES-DAVISKIND-OF-BLUEMONOLP6-EYE-WHITE-PROMOLP/320512662950.html If you have a promo copy of a significant or rare record, might be worth more cash than you thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somethingvinyl Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 There was just a thread about this a month ago. We basically hashed all this out: http://vinylcollective.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=63044&start=0 And to quote myself since I took some time with my thoughts: Actually, promo copies of older albums are considerable more collectible in many instances. The idea behind it being that they were the first records off the line, thus closer to the original pressing and sound better (sound deteriorates after multiple repressing from the same plates). For instance the difference between original pressings and promo pressings can be significant: Beach Boys - "Smiley Smile" Original mono pressing: http://www.popsike.com/the-beach-boys-lp-smiley-smileMONO/150594126659.html Beach Boys - "Smiley Smile" Promo: http://www.popsike.com/BEACH-BOYSSMILEY-SMILEORIG-1967-PROMO-MONO-LPMINT-/160453685037.html ... Miles Davis - "Kind of Blue" Mono: http://www.popsike.com/Rare-JAZZMiles-DavisKind-of-BlueMONONMSUPERB/250800804079.html Miles Davis - "Kind of Blue" Mono Promo: http://www.popsike.com/MILES-DAVISKIND-OF-BLUEMONOLP6-EYE-WHITE-PROMOLP/320512662950.html If you have a promo copy of a significant or rare record, might be worth more cash than you thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nothingnatural Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 FYI the album in question is QOTSA's songs for the deaf on red wax, ipecac label... Did you by chance pay $57 for this on eBay? If you did, then be happy with the purchase man. That's a rare record and it was recently bootlegged on red vinyl. There's no common info yet to tell the differences of the two so you assured yourself an original. There's been other bootlegs of it for years on green, white and black vinyl but the red boot is from the last year or so. I wouldn't trip over the cut corner at all. I have the UK version of this (with the different cover) but I still need to get the US version as I've heard it's a much better pressing from numerous people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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