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Yeah I can't thank you enough for grabbing these! You've got some good karma coming!

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I bought one, not sure why. I hate 7-inches. They're a pain in the ass. Most of the songs are available elsewhere, and their early stuff isn't that great. Still, I bought one...

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Still, why a limit of two and not one?

I had one in my cart at 10:01 and they were already sold out. What a joke.

Does anyone know how the original LP sounds compared to the new one? I have an original that I'm considering selling for some holiday money as long as they new one sounds as good.

Yup, I agree. As far as I can tell, record stores everywhere are flush with them.

Also, just out of curiosity I looked at the eBay listings that sold. Seven copies were sold by the same person, who looks like some sort of distribution house. How in the fuck would a distribution house, or any individual for that matter, get their hands on seven copies that were supposedly limited to one per person? This stinks of an inside job.

It's by no means breaking the bank, but I could have got it from the record store across the street from my house instead. Or what about the saps on eBay who did spend $200? Sure, they ponied up the money willingly, but I'm sure they would have been happy to get a copy for $20. Or, what about my buddy who missed out, and as soon as he found out about the ones in the UK he ordered one, which now ends up being more than the no longer limited edition from the States? It kinda sucks for everyone. We're all fans, we're all collectors, and we're all getting screwed. I guess we'll never see eye to eye on this, but I'm not alone on this. It's a deceptive, shitty marketing tactic and any label with a decent reputation shouldn't stoop so low.

Exactly, which is one of the reasons why the hype and distorted pressing numbers is bullshit. I remember when the whole incentive to get something direct from a label was because it was on color or limited somehow. Labels make more money per piece retail than they do selling 50 copies to Revolver or something. So as a way to get you to buy from them, you got a limited release, usually color. Now, labels are getting you to buy from them using deceptive marketing tactics, and that's not good for anyone. It sucks for collectors and fans thinking they got something "special", and it sucks that the labels have a tarnished reputation. Drag City does great releases. Twins was unlimited, black vinyl. I bought it, it's a very high quality release. The vinyl is quiet, the center labels look like a nice label from the 50's, and the jacket is top notch, it's a gatefold made on high quality paper. This is what brings customers in, not some shitty gimmick about something being super limited, when in reality it's not. It's fucking Ty Segall. Press 2000, on color or not, and they're gonna sell. And when they sell, press more.

Nope, it's just a theory. But why else would they manufacture scarcity for an artist that can move thousands, and then brag about how you shouldn't sleep on it because it's one and done. Then "get pissed" when they're selling on eBay for $200 each, and wait about two weeks before deciding more need to be made because of "overwhelming demand". If they were trying to shut down flippers, they wouldn't have manufactured scarcity, and then took two weeks to let everyone know more would be made due to "overwhelming demand". Also, like I pointed out before, Drag City doesn't do variants or limited editions to begin with, which makes it all the more sketchy. Also, this comes hot on the heels of the In The Red record which was marketed under similar circumstances, and the live "authorized bootleg" that's supposedly limited to 200.... It's a theory, but one that I feel is more than plausible...

I explained my frustration and it had nothing to do with omg I can't have something limited and everything to do with manufactured scarcity and deceptive marketing. Once again, read the labels own marketing hype and tell me how they initially wanted everyone to have this release: Gemini is LP-only, no digital, and ultra-limited, reserved for those who most need to look inside. Don't sleep as long as Gemini is in the world with you! It won't be for long. In fact, we're only gonna be selling it as a mailorder for a short period of time - like, say, just this week? Because we don't have enough to go around, that's party of the booty of Gemini. They only wanted everyone to have it after they sold a bunch for $200 on eBay. Mark my words, the label was behind flipping their own albums. There is no other reason for the bullshit super duper limited don't sleep on it hype, from a label that doesn't even do color variants unless they wanted manufactured scarcity so they could sell records for $200 each on eBay. Ty Segall can easily move 3000-5000 on an initial pressing of an album. There is no need for this hype. His shit sells.

Woah, actually looking at the picture of the dude with the Beanie Babies... They all say Ty! Maybe there is a huge conspiracy after all!

So you're telling me that Drag City thought they were going to be hard pressed to sell 500 copies of a Ty Segall record??? Yeah, it pisses me off when a label hypes something as super limited for those fans who are paying attention and want something special and that they are never, ever going to repress it so act fast... until it gets repressed not even two weeks later. And to boot, everyone who ordered early is now a flipper. This is the hype from the label themselves: Gemini is LP-only, no digital, and ultra-limited, reserved for those who most need to look inside. Don't sleep as long as Gemini is in the world with you! It won't be for long. In fact, we're only gonna be selling it as a mailorder for a short period of time - like, say, just this week? Because we don't have enough to go around, that's party of the booty of Gemini. Here's what I think really happened. I think that Drag City made probably 500 of these LP's, intending it to keep it in print just like every other title on their site. But, seeing as that there is some serious money to be made, they hyped it up as being a one shot deal, not even a digital release so even if you want to download it, you better hope someone puts up a vinyl transfer. Then, they keep aside, I dunno, 25 or 30 records and sell them at $200ish a pop on eBay. Then after about two weeks, come out saying that everyone who preordered and made $200 per record are "carpetbagging profiteers" who should be stopped so they decide to keep this album in print indefinitely. And since no one likes a flipper apparently, it's easy for the label to point their fingers at them, all the while it was the label selling the records under various names. Why else would they make some ridiculously low amount that everyone is scrambling for, of a band that could easily move 5000 units worldwide upon release? This is a joke. I don't give a fuck if a label keeps music in print. Twins is an unlimited release on black vinyl. It's also one of the best pressed records recently, with very nice gatefold sleeve printed on heavy stock. I own it and don't care that it's unlimited. If they made a limited edition, sure, I would have tried to get it, and been upset if I missed out, but I'd still have the black vinyl. That's part of being a record collector! You're missing the point. You think I'm upset because I'm not getting something limited? That's not it at this point. It's the bullshit marketing tactics that are taking place, and they seem to be centering around Ty Segall projects currently. First, In The Red with their outright lies about how many deluxe records were made, and at $50 a pop! Then, this fiasco with Gemini. And currently ongoing is the "authorized bootleg" of the Ty Segall Band live LP. Does it exist? Doesn't it? Does Ty know? Where did that mystery box of records come from when shipped to a Easy Rider Records, who have conveniently put out his records in the past? And why hasn't it gone on sale if they have it? They sure do like to post pictures confirming its existence, though, even spouting off about how there's only 200 made (and how would they know if they didn't make it or know who did?). Do you see a common theme here?

At this point I'm sure it's hype, to get us to spend $50+ on a "limited" LP that will probably go on sale on Black Friday. I also have my doubts as to how limited it truly is or will end up being.

Agreed, and also don't be shitty and call everyone who's preordering a "carpetbagging profiteer". It's bullshit to think that since I'm on all of the forums and keep my ear to the ground for exclusive releases that it means I'm going to flip this record. It also looks like it doesn't matter if you keep your eyes peeled for exclusives because there is very little incentive anymore. Hey! We have a deluxe for all of you lucky enough to be one of the first 250 to order!!!....... oh and there's another 250 we didn't tell you about and an unlimited amount being repressed indefinitely. Because a few people flip records to people who missed out the first time around and are willing to pay stupid prices, everyone just gets unlimited black vinyl, but only after being told that it's exclusive and for real fans and blah blah blah. Wanna limit flipping? Put up a preorder. If you order now and pay now, you have until x date and you will get a first pressing limited edition. So if 2000 Ty Segall fans order this limited edition, which they have, let's say, a week to get their order in, then they get the first pressing on color out of how many people found out about it and preorderd. Every edition after that is standard black, for those who were under a rock for a week and missed out, for those who don't care or prefer black, and everyone in between . That way, it's technically limited, you were able to say "I was there and was able to get a special edition", it limits flipping because most people would have gotten one that wanted one, and an edition of 2000+ is a lot anyway. It also gives the labels working capital to get the records pressed. Seems like a win-win to me, though I like smaller editions because they're special, but whatever, I'm a collector. If labels put out an unlimited black edition, I definitely drag my feet on getting a copy. Sometimes I put it off so long that I'm over the record and just don't buy it at all, unless it pops up in a used bin. Like that Nobunny record... since they only made 100 on color (wtf?) and I missed out, and the record is only mediocre anyway, I probably won't buy one anytime soon. A missed opportunity for them, I would have grabbed one on color for sure. Oh wait, I should bitch to the label that they didn't make enough on color and demand they make more because all 100 people that got one on color flipped it on eBay... What a joke.

So... why aren't these for sale yet if they exist...

I've always wanted better sound on Misfits records. Sure, we are used to it now as a baked in kinda thing, but I agree with the above poster... I've been gravitating towards 12 Hits lately because of better production. Static Age isn't too bad either. What I'd really like to see is a remaster of Legacy. Those songs are awesome, but they sound like absolute shit.

Awesome, thanks!

I really prefer the earlier sound to this Pretenders-esque thing she does now. The new song sounds like it's from 1984. It sounds like a pop/new wave band, but I'm having trouble putting my finger on which one. I'm still ordering it though.

I'll trade that new limited Men EP for one of these on color if anyone is interested.

This actually isn't correct for modern mono records. They almost always cut with a stereo cutting head, so it actually has two audio channels, each just being the same. A mono cartridge will actually damage the groove because it's shaped differently. Vintage mono records (1950's) playing them with a mono cartridge is usually recommended, though I've never tried it and have had good results with a modern stereo cartridge.

Yup. By it's very nature these days, it's a limited format. What's your point in collecting records? And why, if given the chance to buy a pressing that's a little more rare than another, would you pass it up? If you're trying to maintain some elitist "I don't care about limited editions" thing, you're already wrong, because like I said, the entire format is limited. Just go download it and be done if you only want the music. Your statement is only half true. I care about them lying about the pressing info, but it's not because I intend to flip it. I am, however, someone who cares about how collectible my collection is. What's the point in collecting if you're not out for the best, most top notch collection there is? Whether it's baseball cards, stamps, or records, why wouldn't you want the rarest variation? Whether it's a manufactured scarcity as in this case, or an unintentional one, like a Beatles butcher cover? I've been collecting for a very long time, and I'm proud of my collection. This record would have been, and will be, a welcome addition to my collection, whether it's out of 250 or 10,000. But, if there is a copy more rare, as is the case now, I would have also bought that one. Why? Because I collect records! I don't feel like a vinyl forum should be anywhere I feel like I need to defend myself, and that's the strangest part. At the end of the day, had they not put out any pressing info, this wouldn't be an issue. The fact that they did, and it was a fabrication, is the problem. Did they think that Ty Segall would not have been able to move 500 records at $50 each? This doesn't make any sense, and it's bad business to be misleading, whether it's how many were pressed, or what color it is, or if it's a gatefold sleeve, or if Ty Segall licked each one. It's bullshit to lie about it. And I've looked at a few of the deadformat links to some of you saying that limited editions don't matter... So please explain why I see so many "variants" listed? Tour pressings, test pressing, numbered pressings... seems hypocritical.

So why is anyone buying vinyl if it's only about the music? Why don't you just buy the download...? I don't understand how anyone on a vinyl forum could complain about people wanting to buy vinyl, whether it's limited or unlimited. Besides, I don't think most people here are as upset about finding out that they're limited edition of /250 is really out of 500, as they are being mislead about how many are available. It's the deceptive marketing that I'm irritated about. A lot of labels don't even tell anyone how many are pressed. Had they done that, there wouldn't be an issue right now. But they fact they did makes me think they were going for quick sales, and that's deceptive.