kforkevin777 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Had to go for it! Pretty pricey with the shipping, but It Hates You is such a great album...couldn't pass it up. Now let's get some management changes at whatever major bought out the Tooth and Nail catalog and get some older albums pressed (i wish). Somewhere the Capitol Christian Group is giggling right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsWetWilly Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 I'll be ordering this Friday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchell_r Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I really do want the LP bundle... Think these will be available elsewhere? You know, without astronomical shipping prices... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewlucas Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I really want Suck Out The Poison on vinyl. Was that T&N? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsWetWilly Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I really want Suck Out The Poison on vinyl. Was that T&N? I'd kill for that AND I Aam Hollywood, but yeah. T&N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kforkevin777 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Well, if they ever do a box set, someone can buy my Suck out the Poison. grizzlyfoz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fridge Fox Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I really do want the LP bundle... Think these will be available elsewhere? You know, without astronomical shipping prices... I'm wondering the same thing. I wonder if these are going to be on Amazon in the future? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docdasuess Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 This was an easy choice, one of my favorite bands of all time. Also some of the coolest dudes ever, talked to them at show and they where amazing. Plus they use to occasionally do these blog entries that where amazing... here is an example... http://www.whattodoabout.com/2008/04/10/what-to-do-about-cats/ there are two others that I know, one about filling in for ETID to play drums and the other was about meeting fans at shows. Also quick random question here, but I know that T&N's catalog is with Christian Capital Music Group, but what if the He is Legend gang wanted to press some of their old records to sell on tour, could they do that? It would seem weird that the artist couldn't press their own music.... but I am not an expert in this matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troymess Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Hoping for an Amazon option as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippielauryn Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 This was an easy choice, one of my favorite bands of all time. Also some of the coolest dudes ever, talked to them at show and they where amazing. Plus they use to occasionally do these blog entries that where amazing... here is an example... http://www.whattodoabout.com/2008/04/10/what-to-do-about-cats/ there are two others that I know, one about filling in for ETID to play drums and the other was about meeting fans at shows. Also quick random question here, but I know that T&N's catalog is with Christian Capital Music Group, but what if the He is Legend gang wanted to press some of their old records to sell on tour, could they do that? It would seem weird that the artist couldn't press their own music.... but I am not an expert in this matter. He is Legend would have to buy the rights from T&N to get their music pressed themselves, but it doesn't seem like T&N wants to make any deals regarding the release of music they currently own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsWetWilly Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Ordered the bundle. Stoked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyfoz Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Also quick random question here, but I know that T&N's catalog is with Christian Capital Music Group, but what if the He is Legend gang wanted to press some of their old records to sell on tour, could they do that? It would seem weird that the artist couldn't press their own music.... but I am not an expert in this matter. He is Legend can't legally do this because they don't own the rights to their own music. T&N did, but they were sold to Capitol. It's similar to when Michael Jackson owned the rights to the Beatles catalog among others and therefore received the royalties etc. from the sale of their music and not the Beatles themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kforkevin777 Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 He is Legend can't legally do this because they don't own the rights to their own music. T&N did, but they were sold to Capitol. It's similar to when Michael Jackson owned the rights to the Beatles catalog among others and therefore received the royalties etc. from the sale of their music and not the Beatles themselves. That's fucking weird. Not the first part, I get that. I never knew Michael Jackson owned the whole Beatles catalog. That was kinda fucked up. His own royalties weren't enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyfoz Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 That's fucking weird. Not the first part, I get that. I never knew Michael Jackson owned the whole Beatles catalog. That was kinda fucked up. His own royalties weren't enough? Here's a wikipedia article about it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony/ATV_Music_Publishing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexH. Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Also quick random question here, but I know that T&N's catalog is with Christian Capital Music Group, but what if the He is Legend gang wanted to press some of their old records to sell on tour, could they do that? It would seem weird that the artist couldn't press their own music.... but I am not an expert in this matter. The first thing to understand is that there are two components to musical copyright: the recording and the song itself, or composition. Tooth & Nail's contracts with their artists generally have worked the same way major label contracts work, even before they sold their back catalog to EMI: Tooth & Nail pays for all costs associated with putting out an album - recording, design, manufacturing, marketing etc. In exchange, the recording itself is owned exclusively by T&N, and the band essentially has almost no say in what they do with it. This isn't uncommon, and before home recording became so advanced a lot of bands would take it just for the chance to be in a nice studio with a big name producer. T&N just has a reputation for being more exploitive than average, because they know they are essentially the final word on Christian alternative music, and it's not hard to "make it" in the Christian music world once you've established yourself. They recognize this, so they exact a heavy price that sometimes tears bands apart. This is why Tooth & Nail has put out so many greatest hits albums, rarities albums, "triple pack" repackagings, basically doing all they can with what they own. The band still owns the composition, so they would receive royalties from album sales, streams, and radio play (although some T&N albums list Brandon Ebel's publishing company as one of or sometimes the only publishing company, so he may have weaseled his way in there too). MxPx wrote a song about how much they hated their contract with Tooth & Nail. They put it out on an album that was released on a major label but still had the Tooth & Nail logo on it due to the terms of the contract they signed as teenagers: tl;dr the music industry is and always has been stacked against the artist, and wouldn't you know it, even Christians can be overcome by greed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchell_r Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Haha I love how incredibly side tracked threads on here always manage to get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fridge Fox Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 screw it. ordered the bundle of both albums. album drops 8/19 but the vinyl bundle says it will ship around 10/7 :S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamdbz Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 New song Diggin this more than the last one for sure Fridge Fox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fridge Fox Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Miserable Company is my favorite so far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanSmithers Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 Every song they've released so far has been awesome. I'm really looking forward to this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Phillip Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 Easy buy for me. Cant wait to see them at the end of the month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fridge Fox Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 From the band's Facebook : "Vinyl orders of our new record Heavy Fruit are already almost sold out! Thank you everyone for the support. We have another new song for you all on Monday!" I'm wondering how many are getting pressed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kforkevin777 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Bahh I don't have the money for this right now. >.< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanSmithers Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 I stopped waiting and went for the bundle. Glad I didn't wait too long on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fridge Fox Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Here's the new track they mentioned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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