thebiglebowski Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 The only thing I think I'd really like to own is a nice DVD set of the playoffs that year, or maybe just the world series if the Tigers ever learn how to beat the NL wild card teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemongoat Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Just curious -- Do any of you guys buy stuff like "2012 World Series hats" and "2010 NLCS champions"? I'd prefer to not have that on any of my team's gear. ____ God I hate the freaking Giants To me it's like a band shirt. I would much rather get the one without the tour dates on the back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selfreliable Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I bought a 2008 Phillies World champs shirt that on the back had the jerseys of all the players on the playoff roster, I thought it was a pretty neat take on it. I also bought the dvd set of all WS games and the clinching games against the Brewers and Dodgers. I still take such great pride in the fact that Matt Stairs homer completely ruined Broxton's career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Broxton had a pretty good year last year. Weird that he had a 1.4 whip in KC with a 2.27 ERA and a 1.03 whip with a 2.8 ERA in Cinci. Only 1 homer in each place. Just a weird statistical variation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chamb117 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Until today I didnt even think there was anyone else on this board who was an Angels fan. don't worry, i'll back you once the season starts. that angels hat posted on the last page was fucking gross... also, for brewers fans: do you think aoki has already reached his ceiling, and do you think axford will shape up next season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Axford's problem is pretty obvious -- walks and dingers both doubled, and that is a bad combination. Fall behind, gotta throw strikes and aim more towards center of plate, guys can guess the pitch and let it go otherwise, gone. He'll figure it out. It's not like he was giving up a ton of hits and walks. BAA was still good. He just needs to trust his stuff and cut the walks in half. Throw it over the plate and don't beat yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travis Posted January 17, 2013 Author Share Posted January 17, 2013 Jered Weaver is a bitch and I hope Prince Fielder charges the mound on him one day. That give you something to say? Not really, its just nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travis Posted January 17, 2013 Author Share Posted January 17, 2013 during the season this thread gets overrun by angels comments, or at least thats what it seems like to me. theres a lot to talk about in the offseason Well there's only fans of a few teams that actively participate in this thread (Angels, Tigers, Brewers, Yankees, Phillies, Red Sox...) so most of the talk in this thread is about the same teams over and over. I comment in this thread plenty in the off season, I just havent been on the boards much in general lately. I've followed the thread some but I havent had any info to add and people are talking about teams I dont really care about or follow so I havent had much to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 don't worry, i'll back you once the season starts. that angels hat posted on the last page was fucking gross... also, for brewers fans: do you think aoki has already reached his ceiling, and do you think axford will shape up next season? I think Aoki will hit like he did last year, he's a contact guy, and pretty good... it took him awhile to adjust to how the game is scheduled/played here.. there was an article about how in japan they have 2 - 3 days off between games/series, and he'd practice just swinging the bat at a tee 1000 times a day. well in Milkwaukee they started off just trying to let him do this own thing, which was that insane bat drill/swing thing he does... and it was wearing him out before the game, so after a couple weeks they told his translator to cut back, and once Gamel went out for the year and he got full time in RF, he just started slapping the ball around. dunno about the ax... hope he turns it around, but I think he had a case of the k-rod, just couldnt locate his pitch and people were crushing it. I think he'll be better this season.. at least I hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Well there's only fans of a few teams that actively participate in this thread (Angels, Tigers, Brewers, Yankees, Phillies, Red Sox...) so most of the talk in this thread is about the same teams over and over. I comment in this thread plenty in the off season, I just havent been on the boards much in general lately. I've followed the thread some but I havent had any info to add and people are talking about teams I dont really care about or follow so I havent had much to say. thats a bummer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclz Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Being that the Nationals are my NL team I'm stoked with Soriano. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Buster Posey wins the NL MVP and gets $8m in arbitration, Hunter Pence posts the lowest OPS of his career and gets $14. I know the years of service are different but that seems a bit screwed up. selfreliable 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Marc, are you trying to be the last guy on the board with a VC Collective sig? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selfreliable Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 I think the pay needs to be redone. As you showed, No way Pence is currently worth more than Posey in any way. Pence should be rewarded for what he does now, and not what he did. He should have been paid better in his previous years. Just like you wouldnt give the MVP to someone for something they did in the past, I dont think you should get a contract based on your past either. Im not saying Trout should be making 20 million this year because of last year, but paying him 5 million and paying Mark Texieria 8 million would make a hell of a lot more sense than the current gap between the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemongoat Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Really if you want to get paid, just reach free agency. As you said, it's all about service time. Yeah Pence is getting paid for his past, but look at the numbers he put up his first 3 years in the league when he was making the minimum, or close to it.It's scary to think about the contract Trout is going to get if The Angels ever let him reach free agency. You'll be talking 12 years 350 mil if he has another 5 years even remotely close to this last one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 I don't think anyone should be given a contract longer than say 5 years guaranteed with some vesting options for a couple more. Too much can happen over a time period that long. But yeah, if he keeps it up, you're in the ballpark. It's entirely possible that last year was his career year, though. People automatically think he will get better because he is so young. What's he gonna do, hit .400 and go 50/50? It just clicks for guys sometimes. Look at Larry Walker in '97. That season was without question better than Trout's, at least offensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Even projecting Trout's season out another month, Kemp was right there with him statistically 2 years ago. Just saying, it's not automatic because he was a #1 prospect or because he is so young that he won't be as good over any of the next 5 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemongoat Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 I don't think anyone should be given a contract longer than say 5 years guaranteed with some vesting options for a couple more. Too much can happen over a time period that long. But yeah, if he keeps it up, you're in the ballpark. It's entirely possible that last year was his career year, though. People automatically think he will get better because he is so young. What's he gonna do, hit .400 and go 50/50? It just clicks for guys sometimes. Look at Larry Walker in '97. That season was without question better than Trout's, at least offensively. ____ Contracts are completely out of hand. Contracts as well as tickets and merch and food etc should all be cut in half. Not that that would happen in a million years. Walker had a couple crazy years. I assume steroids, but that's neither here nor there. But keep in mind Trout did it as a center fielder. It's completely unheard of. He posted one of the highest WAR's off all time, and he did it at 21. I do agree that its unfair to expect him to get better. But his production could drop 25% and he'd still be an MVP candidate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 The only guy in recent memory who had a rookie year like his was Braun. It is a little unfair to compare him to Larry Walker because that season happened in the middle of his career, not the rookie year. We already knew what he was and could predict the regression back to the mean. But I expect Trout to have a career path similar to Braun -- top 10 player every year, and when it's all clicking, some MVPs. I just feel like if we were in a casino making bets this year I would put my money on "regression" and not "progression". Dude hit 23 homers in his minor league career over 1100 ABs. Then 30 last year over 650 ABs in the majors. Any positive you can put on it of "he is growing into his body and learning" can be countered with "those minor league games were against weaker pitchers in smaller ball parks". And that was with a .342 BA in the minors so it's not like "all the sudden something clicked and he is a different player now". It will be nice when this season starts and we can stop projecting and start just reacting. I know this is the biggest overreaction of all time but I hope the guy plays 25 years and takes the hits title from Pete Rose. He's off to the right start (extremely high production at a very young age). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selfreliable Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 I never thought of Walker being on steroids, I just assumed it was the park. You gotta remember back then they did nothing at all to keep Coors Field in check and didnt use the dehumidifier or keep the balls elsewhere or anything. Everyone was a beast in that stadium. Couple in the fact that Walker got hot, was a good player to begin with and he had a monster year. I wish all contracts had incentives. Instead of paying Arod 30 million every year, make his base be 15 million or whatever, and then put in incentives that if he hits them it goes up. I know quite a few players sign those when coming back from an injury, but I think all contracts should be that way. You would see teams approach them differently (what happens when all your players hit them?) and see players actually giving a damn so they can make all their money. As far as Trout goes and it being his career year, I guess we can only wait. I hear what you are saying. You also want to look at the amount of doubles he had in the minors. Especially at his young age they hit a lot more doubles than homeruns and the doubles are expected to turn into homers as they grow bigger and stronger. He also benefited from having the greatest hitter of his time in his lineup so he would see better pitches in hopes of getting him out so less were on for Pujols. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemongoat Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Yeah Walker had Coors, but an 1.170 OPS is off the charts, even for that park.The way I look at it, is while I don't think PED's are out of baseball, I do think players can't basically roam free and take these chemical wanders that turn everyone into superman. So really, look at the numbers the last few years. Now go back 10-20 years and I think when you look at this insanely long list of guys easily topping a 1.000 OPS - when it almost can't be done today - what does that tell you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chamb117 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Contracts are completely out of hand. Contracts as well as tickets and merch and food etc should all be cut in half. Not that that would happen in a million years. i agree, but it's simply economics. i think it would be awesome if teams were not-for-profits so prices would be driven down, but that would also never happen. it would also help prevent scumbags like loria from running away with florida taxpayers' money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 i agree, but it's simply economics. i think it would be awesome if teams were not-for-profits so prices would be driven down, but that would also never happen. it would also help prevent scumbags like loria from running away with florida taxpayers' money. It's economics but it's a much more complicated situation than what type of cereal you buy. The major leagues are essentially a cartel, where the owners and players conspire to keep their salaries high. Fans have a choice of whether or not to participate as a fan of the sport, but not which professional baseball team to support. Without any competition, they can gouge the fans collectively up to the point where they start to lose revenue because people are just fed up with the prices. But with teams usually in cities with at least a couple million people in them and in surrounding areas, that situation allows them to charge a lot... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chamb117 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 It's economics but it's a much more complicated situation than what type of cereal you buy. The major leagues are essentially a cartel, where the owners and players conspire to keep their salaries high. Fans have a choice of whether or not to participate as a fan of the sport, but not which professional baseball team to support. Without any competition, they can gouge the fans collectively up to the point where they start to lose revenue because people are just fed up with the prices. But with teams usually in cities with at least a couple million people in them and in surrounding areas, that situation allows them to charge a lot... maybe not a cartel but a monopoly. you can't deny the costs to run a baseball team as well as maintain facilities, etc. and massive tv contracts inflate revenue numbers as well. baseball players would still make a pretty good chunk of dough, but certainly no one would make $20 million per year (or even one-fourth of that) if there was some competition. then again, if there were competition the mlb wouldn't have the high caliber of players it does because other professional leagues would attract them, which is a letdown for fans. stuck between a rock and a hard place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBech Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Stan Musial died today. Sad day for baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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