maintreqd Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 sitting here listening to Crimson by Alk3 which clocks in at 42:50 and wondering to myself why they decided to put it across 4 sides instead of 2, when there's not even a special edition artwork for the vinyl version, just two LPs sandwiched into a regular jacket with the orig art? there are plenty of examples of records that could have gone on a single LP that get put on 2... anyone understand the logic behind it? are the grooves roomier? or perhaps something to do with better/less sound compression? i've always wondered this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flood Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 anything over 20 minutes a side and you're starting to push it... you get better sound quality the less time there is on a single side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somethingvinyl Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Are the grooves roomier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrangerwithcandy Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Are the grooves roomier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratmaster2 Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 ^ahahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradedOnACurve Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 LMAO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindovermatter Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 It's also worth noting that you get superior sound quality closer to the outer edge of a 12", so keeping it to only 2-3 songs per side keeps the sonic grooves further from the center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamlikesmusic Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 I have the first press of this album - pretty sure it's only a single LP. I'm gonna throw any superior quality argument out the window and assume they made it a double LP so they could charge more for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasma36 Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 I have the first press of this album - pretty sure it's only a single LP. I'm gonna throw any superior quality argument out the window and assume they made it a double LP so they could charge more for it. It was pressed on both single and double vinyl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jase Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Just remember guys, there are no stupid questions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somethingvinyl Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Just remember guys, there are no stupid questions... Are the grooves roomier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexH. Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 It could be a timing thing, like the way the songs are sequenced they would've had 26 minutes on one side or something like that. Regardless, past that 40 minute mark it's a safe bet to space it out so it doesn't sound like shit, I own a few records that get crummy at the end of each side. Although, the Beloved LP that Brent put out sounds pretty good and that's a 44 minute album, so it probably comes down to who's cutting the stampers and whether they can make it work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirabilevisu Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 The less songs and the faster the speed equates to better sound. 45rpm double disc with 2 songs per side is my ultimate favorite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmoney Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 45rpm double disc with 2 songs per side is my ultimate favorite Ugh. Too. Much. Changing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabukweli Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 I think the worst example in my collection of this issue going the wrong way is Def Leppard - Hysteria with 70+ minutes pressed on a single LP. Who were the ad wizards? I would love to see the deluxe CD reissue they did a few years back get pressed on a 3xLP or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasma36 Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 This also depends on the volume of the album. The grooves are more tightly-packed for quiet sections and more spread out for loud sections, that's why sometimes longer acoustic/drone/ambient/etc albums are pressed on single vinyl and sound fine. For example, Brian Eno's "Discreet Music" has a 30-minute song on the A-side and it sounds great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maintreqd Posted March 6, 2012 Author Share Posted March 6, 2012 This also depends on the volume of the album. The grooves are more tightly-packed for quiet sections and more spread out for loud sections, that's why sometimes longer acoustic/drone/ambient/etc albums are pressed on single vinyl and sound fine. For example, Brian Eno's "Discreet Music" has a 30-minute song on the A-side and it sounds great. ahh, this makes total sense...louder sections cause more vibrations thus needing more groove spacing. never even considered this before. thanks for that insight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Hundred Fifty-Two Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 I have the first press of this album - pretty sure it's only a single LP. I'm gonna throw any superior quality argument out the window and assume they made it a double LP so they could charge more for it. Anything involving logic with a dubmaverick release is thrown out the window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patron Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Found on the back of Elvis Costello And The Attractions "Get Happy!!!" “You’ll have noticed that there are ten (?) tracks on each side of this, Elvis’ new LP, making it a real “long player.”Elvis and I talked long and hard about the wisdom of taking this unusual step and are proud that we can now reassure hi-fi enthusiasts and/or people who never bought a record before 1967 that with the inclusion of this extra music time they will find no loss of sound quality due to “groove cramming” as the record nears the end of each face (i.e. the hole in the middle). Now get happy. Your friend, Producer Nick Lowe” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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