somethingvinyl Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 writing things down doesn't make them true. there is no scientific evidence of his existence at all. just conflicting documents written by other people. also, it's not difficult at all to prove the existence of specific people at that time. especially if they held a level of fame like jesus did. you think there'd be SOMETHING by now. You have criteria listed for Jesus that you don't demand out of, say, Julius Caesar. Was Julius Caesar real? There's no scientific evidence (which doesn't mean what you are intending it to mean) to prove Julius existed, yet you trust that. His name is written in other writings, archeology, early documents, etc. Do you not believe Jesus was a real person because there's not a lot written about him? Jesus has the same recordings, albeit not as many, as Caesar. Look into Socrates. All of Socrates writings are an attribution to him written by Plato, nothing exists in his own pen like Jesus. Even Bill and Ted knew Socrates was real. Not only did Josephus mention him (again, a Jew who didn't accept his divinity) but Tacitus was a historian that wrote about his life (who was a Roman pagan, clearly no agenda) and Pliny the younger (again, Roman lawyer, didn't believe). Tacitus on Christ: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Christ Pliny the Younger on Christians: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pliny_the_Younger_on_Christians Again, we're not debating the question of his divinity but his reality as a human. You say there's no evidence but I've presented plenty of reason to trust that there's historical record of his life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronniegwilliams Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 A few years back I was in a band with a few pretty religious dudes. I didn't really have any stance whatsoever on religion, and the other dudes that did were very respectful of that. Though we were a total Jimmy Eat World ripoff band, we consistently ended up being billed with Christian hardcore bands, most of them being of the Solid State variety. Most of the dudes were really nice guys and i ended up becoming really good friends with a bunch of them. They never once pulled their religious agenda out on me, nor did I to them. The thing about extremely outspoken Christian bands is the same with any band outspoken on any subject, it just gets old. Whether it be religion, politics, satan, whatever; stop ranting and go outside your comfort zone and write one song about something else. somethingvinyl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
withengineheart Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 it's called _____', look it up. I hate when people say this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daegor Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I hate when people say this. Yeah... I do too, I'll edit that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steventangent Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I often find myself turned off by bands that proselytize extensively for any one cause. It's even harder to enjoy when they are doing it for a cause you are disinclined to agree with, or outright dislike. daegor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daegor Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 I'll just leave this here http://www.cracked.com/article_15759_10-things-christians-atheists-can-and-must-agree-on_p3.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikeguitars Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 Im a practicing Catholic and i can't stand preachy bands. A lot of it, like in that video, seems too fake to me and it can get a little disturbing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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