scott_c Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 28 minutes ago, Saxonjulin said: I love especially that they waited to ship the vinyl versions before announcing the clear too. Bull shit Since their concern is the exorbitant aftermarket prices, I'm sure they wanted to wait until the prices on eBay leveled out from this first shipment, and then they would know how to fairly price the clear variant. I'm sure that there was some concern about flooding the market with the initial 300 black copies. unknown pleasures 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknown pleasures Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 It also gave them time to raise their postage rates by a few pounds/dollars. That clear vinyl is known for its heft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxonjulin Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 36 minutes ago, unknown pleasures said: Exactly. As I mentioned above, it was clear from the label's own words that they didn't plan to stop at the pressing of 300, they alluded to more stuff coming pretty heavily, but I didn't imagine it would be on clear vinyl and pressed in fewer (?!) quantities than the first? At this rate, we'll be getting a color-in-color /100 next week, a lathe cut /50 the week after and eventually a 1/1 liquid filled with hand-painted sleeve sometime in June - that one'll really help cool down the bidding on eBay. I think that was a joke... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknown pleasures Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Saxonjulin said: I think that was a joke... Just so we’re clear, are you trying to explain to me that a joke I made I my own post was a joke? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Saint November pullin’ a Marissa... cemeterytapes, natenomm and tape 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lethalenforcer Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Just now, unknown pleasures said: Just so we’re clear, Hehhhh unknown pleasures 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorrisNuts Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Tommy said: Saint November pullin’ a Marissa... I heard Trey is a blackjack dealer in Vegas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxonjulin Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 11 minutes ago, Tommy said: Saint November pullin’ a Marissa... Anyone notice that he starts bleeding out his chest when you cant even see an exit wound or even a small tear in his shirt? Like why does he start pouring blood from his chest? Over annalyzing probably but cmon OC! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxonjulin Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 15 minutes ago, unknown pleasures said: Just so we’re clear, are you trying to explain to me that a joke I made I my own post was a joke? well it had to be a joke. This label couldnt have been that stupid in posting that. Guess I was wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorrisNuts Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 11 minutes ago, Saxonjulin said: Anyone notice that he starts bleeding out his chest when you cant even see an exit wound or even a small tear in his shirt? Like why does he start pouring blood from his chest? Over annalyzing probably but cmon OC! [Banned User] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknown pleasures Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 33 minutes ago, Saxonjulin said: well it had to be a joke. This label couldnt have been that stupid in posting that. Guess I was wrong No problem, I totally understand. This whole release is like a one giant joke wrapped in a nightmare topped with a steaming turd. Nested in Donald Trump’s hair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustSchwimmer Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 I don’t see any problem with this, it’s a clearly different pressing from the first. It’s not like they extended the run and from what they originally said. Labels are allowed to repress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknown pleasures Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Ways this is a problem: 1. They used the “one-time” pressing line as a selling point, then released a new one which is identical save for color and edition size (both of which are arguably better on the second). Several people on the board debated buying it because of the possibility it would be available cheaper elsewhere, or without international shipping, but ended up going through with the purchase for fear they wouldn’t have another chance. 2. They weren’t upfront about the possibility of other variants until the first one already sold out, and even then they just gave a vague hint until this morning when it went up for sale. 3. The new variant is more limited (and objectively nicer looking) than the first, a big “screw you” to the people that made the first one sell out in the first place. How many of those 300 buyers would have preferred this one instead? 4. Because it was announced and put up for sale shortly after the first one shipped, those loyal preorder people didn’t have a chance to ask for an exchange if they would have preferred this one, or even first dibs if they wanted one of each. 5. The label clearly sees this as somewhat scummy, which is why they’re pulling out the “It’s being sold on eBay! We’re just trying to meet demand!” excuse, but addressed it by releasing an even rarer variant which at best won’t do squat to eBay sales and at worst will cause a whole new run for the clear vinyl version. 6. Nitpicking, but they also used the “we made this pressing more expensive so you should be happy you got in early” excuse when the difference is only a few bucks and for that you get colored vinyl (we’ll, clear...) and a run of one-third fewer copies. Just my opinion. I see the people who don’t think it’s a big deal and get what they’re saying, but personally these things bug me. toomanyrecords 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxonjulin Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 58 minutes ago, unknown pleasures said: Ways this is a problem: 1. They used the “one-time” pressing line as a selling point, then released a new one which is identical save for color and edition size (both of which are arguably better on the second). Several people on the board debated buying it because of the possibility it would be available cheaper elsewhere, or without international shipping, but ended up going through with the purchase for fear they wouldn’t have another chance. 2. They weren’t upfront about the possibility of other variants until the first one already sold out, and even then they just gave a vague hint until this morning when it went up for sale. 3. The new variant is more limited (and objectively nicer looking) than the first, a big “screw you” to the people that made the first one sell out in the first place. How many of those 300 buyers would have preferred this one instead? 4. Because it was announced and put up for sale shortly after the first one shipped, those loyal preorder people didn’t have a chance to ask for an exchange if they would have preferred this one, or even first dibs if they wanted one of each. 5. The label clearly sees this as somewhat scummy, which is why they’re pulling out the “It’s being sold on eBay! We’re just trying to meet demand!” excuse, but addressed it by releasing an even rarer variant which at best won’t do squat to eBay sales and at worst will cause a whole new run for the clear vinyl version. 6. Nitpicking, but they also used the “we made this pressing more expensive so you should be happy you got in early” excuse when the difference is only a few bucks and for that you get colored vinyl (we’ll, clear...) and a run of one-third fewer copies. Just my opinion. I see the people who don’t think it’s a big deal and get what they’re saying, but personally these things bug me. I agree with ever statement in this. Well done. Also vinyl take MONTHS to be pressed. The fact that this new variant is shipping in 2 months means they knew this was coming but waited till the black vinyl to ship out 1st. Super scummy thievedrelic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustSchwimmer Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 1 hour ago, unknown pleasures said: Ways this is a problem: 1. They used the “one-time” pressing line as a selling point, then released a new one which is identical save for color and edition size (both of which are arguably better on the second). Several people on the board debated buying it because of the possibility it would be available cheaper elsewhere, or without international shipping, but ended up going through with the purchase for fear they wouldn’t have another chance. 2. They weren’t upfront about the possibility of other variants until the first one already sold out, and even then they just gave a vague hint until this morning when it went up for sale. 3. The new variant is more limited (and objectively nicer looking) than the first, a big “screw you” to the people that made the first one sell out in the first place. How many of those 300 buyers would have preferred this one instead? 4. Because it was announced and put up for sale shortly after the first one shipped, those loyal preorder people didn’t have a chance to ask for an exchange if they would have preferred this one, or even first dibs if they wanted one of each. 5. The label clearly sees this as somewhat scummy, which is why they’re pulling out the “It’s being sold on eBay! We’re just trying to meet demand!” excuse, but addressed it by releasing an even rarer variant which at best won’t do squat to eBay sales and at worst will cause a whole new run for the clear vinyl version. 6. Nitpicking, but they also used the “we made this pressing more expensive so you should be happy you got in early” excuse when the difference is only a few bucks and for that you get colored vinyl (we’ll, clear...) and a run of one-third fewer copies. Just my opinion. I see the people who don’t think it’s a big deal and get what they’re saying, but personally these things bug me. That's fair I can see your point, I guess I don't view one color or another as better but I can see why some would. If a label said it was going to press a certain amount then pressed more I'd be pissed but besides that I'd say it's all good. Just define the pressings as separate and I don't after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Hi folks, The clear pressing was requested by a partner, it was due to be sold by them. We couldn’t share this information earlier because we were waiting on our partner to make their own announcement. The arrangement didn’t come to fruition and we were left with the clear pressing. We could see people were being ripped off by resellers of the black pressing so we decided to put the clear on sale ourselves, rather than wait on another partner to confirm. By putting it on sale now we hoped it might save people buying from the resellers, who would be about to receive their copy/copies of the black pressing which shipped last week. Shipping costs are unfortunately determined by the postal service. Our rates charged for the black pressing postage and packaging were lower than the fees we paid. We increased them for this pressing so that we didn’t continue to lose money on shipping. I appreciate these costs are high for our international customers, had the arrangement with our partner worked out this may have proved to be a more affordable option for some. I think it’s great that VinylCollective provides this platform for healthy debate between the vinyl community. These matters should be discussed. Unfortunately commercial arrangements sometimes prevent you from sharing certain information, but I hope the above clarifies our decisions made. Thank you to anyone reading who picked up a copy of this release, red, blue, black or clear. It was an honour to work on and I hope you enjoy the pressing. This will be the last time we release the record, so apologies to anyone who missed out. There is every chance another label may choose to repress it in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toomanyrecords Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 ^this isn't going to end well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxonjulin Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 7 hours ago, Liam said: Hi folks, The clear pressing was requested by a partner, it was due to be sold by them. We couldn’t share this information earlier because we were waiting on our partner to make their own announcement. The arrangement didn’t come to fruition and we were left with the clear pressing. We could see people were being ripped off by resellers of the black pressing so we decided to put the clear on sale ourselves, rather than wait on another partner to confirm. By putting it on sale now we hoped it might save people buying from the resellers, who would be about to receive their copy/copies of the black pressing which shipped last week. Shipping costs are unfortunately determined by the postal service. Our rates charged for the black pressing postage and packaging were lower than the fees we paid. We increased them for this pressing so that we didn’t continue to lose money on shipping. I appreciate these costs are high for our international customers, had the arrangement with our partner worked out this may have proved to be a more affordable option for some. I think it’s great that VinylCollective provides this platform for healthy debate between the vinyl community. These matters should be discussed. Unfortunately commercial arrangements sometimes prevent you from sharing certain information, but I hope the above clarifies our decisions made. Thank you to anyone reading who picked up a copy of this release, red, blue, black or clear. It was an honour to work on and I hope you enjoy the pressing. This will be the last time we release the record, so apologies to anyone who missed out. There is every chance another label may choose to repress it in the future. Hey guys "This will be the last time we release the record". Sure I believe you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lethalenforcer Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Wait, where are the red and blue versions available?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Respektor Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, lethalenforcer said: Wait, where are the red and blue versions available?? They are not avaliable, those variants have been out-of-print since 2013. Now they cost hundreds of dollars. You check Discogs, it’s on sale on and off. Edited February 10, 2018 by Respektor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lethalenforcer Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Respektor said: They are not avaliable, those variants have been out-of-print since 2013. Now they cost hundreds of dollars. You check Discogs, it’s on sale on and off. For a moment I thought these guys were planning additional, even more limited, color releases after the clear sold out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatMrY Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 I'll just leave this here... https://www.musiconvinyl.com/catalog/frou-frou/details#.Wo7a_BPwau4 NorrisNuts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, TheGreatMrY said: I'll just leave this here... https://www.musiconvinyl.com/catalog/frou-frou/details#.Wo7a_BPwau4 Whatttttttt. Where’s the PO??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatMrY Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 Just now, Tommy said: Whatttttttt. Where’s the PO??? It's MOV, so uk retailers should have links up within the next few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 (edited) I know they sell MOV in the states. Any chance of a Bullmoose PO? 1000, are they trying to kill us? Edited February 22, 2018 by Tommy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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