Rev. Mike

I do not understand all the anger. The music is readily available to hear or purchase otherwise. Vinyl is not obligatory or necessary for the experience. It is a consumer choice to collect or not.

Yes, I understand the historical context now. Many things were happening by region, and by label, and by genre. And I know what my ears tell me, though they have been wrong, and sometimes I wrote stuff off a long time ago which I never revisited. When I heard Monster Magnet 20 years ago it sounded like late 80's White Zombie to me, I am probably wrong, whatever.

Sometimes I wish my ears could be that age again. When my otherwise strictly tuned to thrash metal ears first heard Mudhoney in the late 80's I thought Burn It Clean was the heaviest shit I had ever heard. That doesn't make any sense to me now. But back then I hadn't heard early Swans, I had yet to hear Melvins, or Godflesh, or whatever is analagous to heavy that someone wants to point out. But my ears now hear different things too that are just as enjoyable, and for which I have more context.

No, I meant the complaint that the band is somehow ripping fans off is tired and boring.

So glad I don't like these guys. They love ripping off fans.

 

Tired and boring.

Pretty sure Fu Manchu, Kyuss & Monster Magnet were around before Sleep was and/or releasing their first LPs at the same time and had already put out 45s.

 

I was speaking about my own experience. I was not listening to Monster Magnet, I had heard Virulence but not Fu Manchu who did not start putting things out until later. I heard Asbestos Death because they were on Profane in 1990 and then Sleep Vol. 1 in 1991. I did not hear Kyuss until like '93. I had heard early (pre-MTV) White Zombie (much more dirgey and drug damaged, like Monster Magnet). Things were a lot different pre-internet age. I was getting mix tapes, reading zines, borrowing cassettes from friends, and taking chances when I could get rides to a record store (all out of town). That was the extent of my knowledge. It is a lot easier to speak about all that other shit looking backwards. To my mind Sleep still crushes everything else from that time.

Following the transition from Asbestos Death to Sleep at the time there was really very little in the landscape that sounded anything like what Sleep was doing when Holy Mountain came out. The fact that it come out on Earache was a whole other mindfuck only equaled by Lee Dorian moving from Napalm Death to Cathedral. I listened to Sabbath and the Melvins and Neurosis but had never heard of Pentagram, the Obsesses were a band in legend only, I did not care for St Vitus at the time, and Cathedral never did much for me. The Stoner/Doom stuff as a genre was nascent. If you were into metal and hardcore it was still all about speed. As the years went on there was Fu Manchu, Kyuss, Noothgrush, 16, all the bands that Kozik introduced to the world with Man's Ruin, etc but Sleep stood out with Holy Mountain, that was the template for modern Stoner Metal. To my mind it hardly gets better than Dragonaut. As the years went on and the legend grew we would read in magazines that they had a major label deal, blew all their money on weed, recorded an hour long album that would never be released, etc. But we had Holy Mountain because nothing else scratched the itch quite the same way. Songs about weed, dragons, druids, and outer space coupled with pummeling riffs. At least until Jerusalem finally saw the light of day in 1998.

I haven't smoked weed in years and I still love Sleep. I have two tattoos that reference bands, one is Sleep, one is Black Sabbath, and I don't regret either of them. I honestly don't understand how someone could NOT love Holy Mountain if they like heavy music.

Do people really think Holy Mountain was good? I think it's terrible.

 

Did you not smoke a lot of weed and love heavy metal in 1993?

The SL is Dopesmoker 2.0 essentially, a brand new mix and edit. It is far, far superior to the Tee Pee version, which I never liked anyway, having always been a Jerusalem die hard.

DS 2.0 > Jerusalem > DS 1.0

I made 3 orders, got every single item I ordered, all of which were on sale, got free shipping on every order, and received my last shipment today which was a reasonable amount of time from when I made the order. 

You know one thing I didn't do? I didn't order any filler records that I 100% did not really want.

This sale was awesome. Thanks OLDIES.com!

For anyone wondering what I may have ordered:

FLips - Terror

Sunn - Void

2 Agent Steel lps

Eric Dolphy

Antioch Arrow

Pisces

3 Dead C double albums

and something else I forget.

I got all the records that were cancelled from everyone's orders. And your refunds too. Nothing cancelled.

I just had my order cancelled and I didn't even order anything!

No idea on the tri-colors.I had to do unspeakable things.

Shitty camera pic for a bunch of shitty, overpriced records.

Anyone into metal should grab both the Agent Steel albums on there. Those two albums are wicked.

 

Absolute truth.

Morbid Angel Covenant and Entombed Clandestine are up on amazon uk too.

Picked this up at my local shop for 34 bucks. Could not resist eventhough I own all the OGS

 

Pretty much will be buying all of these sets. Quality stuff

 

On their site it says that the sets include

3 flyers

3 replica covers

 

Did anyone who get this have this in their set. Mine does not. I emailed Numero to see

 

The replica covers are the sleeves inside the jackets and the flyers are in the inserts inside the sleeves. You need to pull the records out. This set is worth it almost just for the booklet alone. very well done.

I hated everything they did initially when the label started. All that youth crew stuff that people younger than me loved to me was generic and derivative and nowhere near as good as the hardcore I grew up on (I'm very old). And that whole scene ruined punk rock for me in my area for years. I think it was because I was older and lived through the first wave (ie: the real good stuff) so by the time that shit came along I was way over it.

 

The bands you listed didn't wow me either, but I also didn't hate them, I just didn't care enough about them from what I heard to bother.

 

Wait a second, you are going to just dismiss bands like Youth of Today, Bold, Gorilla Biscuits, Judge, Warzone and No For An Answer as derivative but mourne the loss of some late in the game metalcore? To each their own tastes, and if you lived in close relation to some of the meatheads that youth crew brought in I can understand the distaste, but early hardcore had plenty of meathead bullshit too.

Just take Youth of Today for example, who blended the early DC and NYC hardcore with the speed of some of the Dutch and Italian stuff, there was nothing else like it. Yea, they had influences, but I think YoT stand the test of time as far as some of the greatest hardcore.

Live White was originally releases by Scott Slimm's now defunct Archive label out of NYC. He also did the Earth Live Hex and Boris 3CD Archive release amongst other great releases. The remaining copies of the 2nd edition of Live White were put in the White Boxes sold on tour in Europe and Australia.

 

A non-CD-r repress of Live White is also included in the Daymare version of White2. As far as CDs go, those Daymare releases are the definitive versions of all the Sunn releases as far as I am concerned.

Symphonies is the best of the early stuff. This album is raw but good and very influential. Heartwork is their best album over all and hugely influential.

 

Both sides have pits and bumps on them but the Napalm Death side is even more strange. There's dead wax and the matrix etching numbers right after the first track. Then there is the second track. So because of that, the songs will not transition properly.

 

That sucks, you should email Rob and see if you can get it replaced.

A fine member of this board grabbed me the Napalm Death 12" but it has a really strange pressing flaw so I ordered another one. I also missed out on the Bash version of the Hepa-Titus 7" so I'm glad I could get the regular one today.

 

What was the pressing flaw? 

I heard he had thousands of codes and tried to buy a best buy franchise!

 But I'm sure Rev. Mike would be the one with jaw dropping collection.

 

My collection is probably better than most, but I have holes and I don't always have multiples. Getting rid of all my records at the end of the 90's didn't help. More recently I did have all the Bride variants, now I only have the Haze one. I do have at least one of most of the Amrep Melvins stuff from the last 10 years or so.

For those of you invoking all the karma bullshit, my best buy account was flagged for identity theft and is now locked because of repeat orders. So be careful out there kids.

Straight from the King's mouth in case no one has gotten the message before:

 

Osborne: We're really focused now on playing small-ball — doing hyper-limited 7-inches of covers and shit like that, stuff that I know we would appreciate, especially with Tom. We're more do-it-yourself now than we've ever been. It's almost like going backwards to go forwards — do the silkscreen covers, stuff all the records yourself, make the extra letter-pressed CD covers and all the extra stuff that you can't get on a download, you know, and just try to focus on that. I never want to listen to criticism where people are telling me how expensive something is, when I know the most important thing is the music itself — which is typically available for free somewhere online. Then I'm like, "Blow me!" What do you want? You want the music for free and you don't want to pay dick for some really cool packaging? Well, great.