paranoidantroyd Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Then the majority of fans are uneducated. Again, it's subjective. And for what it's worth, you're coming across as a pisspants. (See above) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemongoat Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Again, it's subjective. And for what it's worth, you're coming across as a pisspants. (See above) I'm trying to have a discussion and would love for someone to bring something legitimate to the table. But you aren't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamalatapes Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 I wouldn't include him in my top 10, but that's just me. It's a subjective question to which there is no definitive answer. All apologies for offending you, but I think the majority of fans would laugh in your face for suggesting TO as the 2nd best receiver of all time. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1645156-why-terrell-owens-had-a-greater-nfl-career-than-randy-moss I can see some good arguments about TO being number 2. He isn't my #2 per say but still he's definitely a top 10 statistically speaking. TO in his prime combined speed, hands and strength pretty much unmatched. The only guy I can compare to him is Dez Bryant. Fitzgerald and Calvin Johnson both combine for speed and power as well, but they're in a league of their own. (Gentlemen of Quality WR's league) vs TO, M. Irvin, Bryant, Moss (Hollywood WR league) Here's a little "all time" greatest WR list by bleacher report http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1466511-top-10-nfl-wide-receivers-of-all-time/page/2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefchino Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 I'm trying to have a discussion and would love for someone to bring something legitimate to the table. But you aren'tI have rice, moss, and Irving ahead of TO but that's just my list. The Saint 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catalinacaper Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Kelvin Benjamin entering the NFL draft... God I hope he makes it into the late first round. He needs some work but he has so much potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 I know this doesn't have much to do with the conversation, and I know I'm a Colts fan, but after looking at the all time receptions list I find it amazing that 2 of the top 10 all time receivers were on the same team at the same time (Harrison and Wayne) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemongoat Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 I know this doesn't have much to do with the conversation, and I know I'm a Colts fan, but after looking at the all time receptions list I find it amazing that 2 of the top 10 all time receivers were on the same team at the same time (Harrison and Wayne) Less overlap, but Rice and Owens too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nivek87 Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 So I know jay gruden was a horrible pick as a gc for the skins considering he is a big fan of the west coast offense, doesn't like the pistol, and probably can't handle the show that is rg3. However, I don't know enough about all the other candidate to say who would of been better. Help to prove my point would be awesome Bump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crime Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 I would love to see the Chargers knock off the Broncos tomorrow. dave_jones and kamalatapes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catalinacaper Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Bump Greg Roman for instance designed a whole offense around Kaepernick with more or less the same scheme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamalatapes Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 I know this doesn't have much to do with the conversation, and I know I'm a Colts fan, but after looking at the all time receptions list I find it amazing that 2 of the top 10 all time receivers were on the same team at the same time (Harrison and Wayne) Less overlap, but Rice and Owens too Beneficiaries of great QB'ing more or less! Or is it the other way around??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catalinacaper Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Montana/Young were great QB's with or without Rice/Owens, definitely Montana more than Young though. Master of the three step drop. Didn't matter who you lined up wide as long as they had hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyFuckingPowers Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Dez Bryant is going to destroy TO's stats. Im calling it now. His first 4 seasons (with less games played) he already has nearly 1000 yards more than him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemongoat Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Dez Bryant is going to destroy TO's stats. Im calling it now. His first 4 seasons (with less games played) he already has nearly 1000 yards more than him. It's a different era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saint Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 So ready for the Pats tonight! I've got the Seahawks in the earlier game, and the Panthers and the Broncos winning tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Compare Dez to Calvin and Calvin makes them look foolish. Now you need to compare Dez to Owens? How about we just let the guy play out a career before we give him his place in history? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hipsterasfolk Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Doing a Fan Duel for this weekend... Going with Rivers, Marshawn, Donald Brown, Edleman, Demaryius, Keenan Allen, Julius Thomas, Novak, and Seattle D. Came out $200 under the cap. Feel pretty good about it... Peyton cost $3,500 more than Rivers. Didn't see much value there. Peyton will give you pass yards, Rivers will be mainly ground game is what they are predicting. Montana/Young were great QB's with or without Rice/Owens, definitely Montana more than Young though. Master of the three step drop. Didn't matter who you lined up wide as long as they had hands. Not like this is relevant but I start Young over Montana in MUT on Madden. Solely based on Young's speed for read options, keep Franco Harris and Lynch in the backfield for my trucking and screens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyFuckingPowers Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Compare Dez to Calvin and Calvin makes them look foolish. Now you need to compare Dez to Owens? How about we just let the guy play out a career before we give him his place in history? I was just saying that he will shatter TO's records putting TO lower on the all time list. Calvin had nothing to do with it. I dont think Calvins body will allow him to play as long as Dez or TO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hipsterasfolk Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 I was just saying that he will shatter TO's records putting TO lower on the all time list. Calvin had nothing to do with it. I dont think Calvins body will allow him to play as long as Dez or TO The fact that Calvin is not "Megatron" in this thread makes every response false Also T.O's body type and physical endurance made him the legend he is today A better WR than Dez would obviously be Larry "the Lobster" Fitzgerald if Palmer gets canned Larry > Dez Palmer < Romo Personally my favs (current) are Megatron, D. Thomas, Roddy White, Larry and Reggie Wayne (MUT bias) no doubt Dez is a great WR though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemongoat Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 I was just saying that he will shatter TO's records putting TO lower on the all time list. Calvin had nothing to do with it. I dont think Calvins body will allow him to play as long as Dez or TO Again, even in the last 5 years passing numbers have become so inflated that you can't just take guys from today and go stat for stat to players in the past. Having said that, I don't care how good a start Bryant has had to his career, I wouldn't pencil anyone in for another 800 catches, 10,000 yards and 110 TD's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 I was just saying that he will shatter TO's records putting TO lower on the all time list. Calvin had nothing to do with it. I dont think Calvins body will allow him to play as long as Dez or TO My point was fair -- It seems fine to me to compare Calvin against the all time greats. If he retired tomorrow he will still be remembered for records like the 2nd highest receiving yards in a game and the most in a season. Compare Dez to Calvin, Owens, Rice, Moss and whoever else you want but you are jumping the gun. Dude has not put up about a quarter of the stats of some of those careers. And yeah, I get that you said "through his first 4 seasons", but look at what guys like Roy Williams and Braylon Edwards did in their first 4 years (not as good as Dez but in the ballpark). How did the rest of their career turn out? Extrapolating 4 seasons out 10 years in the future is just a waste of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefchino Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Can we talk about the playoffs now or is this still a thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_jones Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Peyton will give you pass yards, Rivers will be mainly ground game is what they are predicting. Honestly don't pay attention to "predictions" and focus more on my own opinion/gut feeling. Rivers passes to his backs A LOT so I feel fine about the value proposition he offers. Plus, at a much cheaper price than Peyton, I can afford to start Marshawn in a windy and loud CenturyLink which should shape up to be a run fest for the Hawks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyFuckingPowers Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 My point was fair -- It seems fine to me to compare Calvin against the all time greats. If he retired tomorrow he will still be remembered for records like the 2nd highest receiving yards in a game and the most in a season. Compare Dez to Calvin, Owens, Rice, Moss and whoever else you want but you are jumping the gun. Dude has not put up about a quarter of the stats of some of those careers. And yeah, I get that you said "through his first 4 seasons", but look at what guys like Roy Williams and Braylon Edwards did in their first 4 years (not as good as Dez but in the ballpark). How did the rest of their career turn out? Extrapolating 4 seasons out 10 years in the future is just a waste of time. 1,000+ years the last 2 seasons in his first 4 years and had 928 the year before those seasons. Double digit TDs last 2 years (9 and 6 before it). Comparing Dez to Braylon Edwards and Roy Williams is absolutely laughable. Even if you say they arent as good as him, putting them in the same ballpark/conversation is just ridiculous. Dez is only 3 TDs and a little over 1,000 yds shy of Roy's career TDs and yds (which is sad considering how big he was) And Im not comparing him to Moss or Rice. Im just comparing him to TO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 1,000+ years the last 2 seasons in his first 4 years and had 928 the year before those seasons. Double digit TDs last 2 years (9 and 6 before it). Comparing Dez to Braylon Edwards and Roy Williams is absolutely laughable. Even if you say they arent as good as him, putting them in the same ballpark/conversation is just ridiculous. Dez is only 3 TDs and a little over 1,000 yds shy of Roy's career TDs and yds (which is sad considering how big he was) Yep, exactly -- because of how terrible Roy Williams was after his first 4 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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