shamrocks Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 examples: bought plenty of new releases with great packaging for well under $20 (appleseed cast, hospital ships, war on drugs) and then find a record that i like (viva voce) for over $20 with no real reason to be priced that high. does it have more to with record labels, or is it something with the artists. also, what is the incentive for a distributor to press 100 copies of a release that can only gross <$2000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snaggle Von Swift Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 simplest answer.. because people will pay that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shamrocks Posted October 27, 2011 Author Share Posted October 27, 2011 i dont know, there cant be that many viva voce fans out there...seems like a niche band. actually, since production costs are probably the biggest expenditure, it would seem more reasonable to press more records and shave a buck or two off the cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finchbadass Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 also, what is the incentive for a distributor to press 100 copies of a release that can only gross <$2000. that is $2000 they did not have before pressing 100 copies of a release. and distributors don't press things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kriss Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 I walk into an Outback Steakhouse and their porter is priced three dollars below the mom and pop steakhouse down the street. I wonder why that is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serum7 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 I walk into an Outback Steakhouse and their porter is priced three dollars below the mom and pop steakhouse down the street. I wonder why that is? Because they buy lower quality meats at bulk prices? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daegor Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Because you touch yourself at night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattalica17 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 so touching myself in the day won't change anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recordhound1002 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 so touching myself in the day won't change anything? Well if you did it in public It would change alot of things for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kriss Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Hah. All of the above are acceptable. But in all seriousness, even though it would seem more reasonable to press more records and shave a buck or two off the cost. If the record isn't all that high in demand, it would probably be a pain to have a ton of excess stock laying around and not selling, thus pressing a lower number and knowing the vast majority of them WILL sell seems like a safer bet even if that comes at a few bucks extra per copy. The few who wanted the record bad enough in the first place wouldn't bat an eye at the extra cost anyway which leads credence to lastwordspoken's answer that sometimes folks will just pay what the charge is. I don't know record economics from a hole in the ground, but tons of dudes around here do. They'll probably chime in at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kriss Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 so touching myself in the day won't change anything? Well if you did it in public It would change alot of things for you. but all of those changes would be so wonderful... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recordhound1002 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Well Played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madtired Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Google "1000 true fans" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almightyseancore Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 different pressing plants have different prices, and final sale prices are usually based off the cost of the pressing. so if they spent more for a fancy gatefold and rad colour patterns in the vinyl, than you're probably going to wind up paying more. also pressing plants charge more for smaller runs, or less if the label orders more. that bulk discount, ya dig? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
necroscope Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Shamrocks, as far as incentive to press 100 goes.. Some people are trying to create a collector's item they can cash in on. Other people can only afford to press 100. Or maybe they are just doing it for their own enjoyment. Believe me, there are a lot of people putting out records who are taking a loss and don't give a shit about profit, or are struggling to break even. I have pressed 100 or less many times because it was what I was able to afford or the amount I though I could sell. On why they cost they do, well again some people involved in more popular bands/labels are price gouging and others might have more complex packaging, special colors or etching, etc...you can usually tell what the deal is. Whether you still want to buy or care as to the reasons is up to you. Most people charge reasonable prices, those who don't are the exception not the rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thieves Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 so I can make my mortgage payments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papashawn Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Also some labels pay for recording time and mixing/mastering for their bands, which needs to be recouped somehow. Take Hydra Head for example, they support their bands and give them a budget for recording. Cave In isn't paying out of their own pocket to record these days. So to pay off those fees, you get a single LP that costs $22, even though they pressed over 1000 copies. The markup is huge, but they also operate out of a functioning office with staff to cover. A small label that one dude runs out of his house, pressing records for smaller bands that pay for recording and mixing/mastering themselves can afford to charge a lot less for their records, even if they are pressing small quantities. Some quick math, based on quotes from Pirates Press for a 180 gram 2xLP in a gatefold, pressing 300 copies vs 500 copies. 300 = $4,000 cost each = $13.33 500 = $4,700 cost each = $9.40 Yes, makes much more sense to press an extra 200 records for only $700 more, but not if they'll never sell. So, the 300 end up being priced at $20+ while the 500 can be $17+. Now those prices don't include anything else, like remastering for vinyl, shipping from the pressing plant, packing supplies, etc. All those factor into the price, just like a recording budget would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runforcover Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 also, what is the incentive for a distributor to press 100 copies of a release that can only gross <$2000. that is $2000 they did not have before pressing 100 copies of a release. The opposite is actually true, considering it probably cost almost 2,000 to press 100 records. It's not $2,000 profit, its gross sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
violetflower Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 also, what is the incentive for a distributor to press 100 copies of a release that can only gross <$2000. that is $2000 they did not have before pressing 100 copies of a release. and distributors don't press things. They don't press records, but they sure as hell pay pressingplants to do it and have the records shipped straight to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almightyseancore Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 not all record labels are distributors, and not all distributors are record labels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shitty Rambo Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 ^Nips knows from experience dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swoopdog Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Some quick math, based on quotes from Pirates Press for a 180 gram 2xLP in a gatefold, pressing 300 copies vs 500 copies. 500 = $4,700 cost each = $9.40 This is my first project and I used PP but this price only covers the LPs and not the covers, bags, sleeves, test presses and their 2 day shippping, DMM processing, the stampers and then the freight shipping on an order this big when it arrives at your house on a pallet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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