daegor Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/581728711/recordsonwalls-vinyl-record-frames In short, these are the best LP frames out there, hands down. The prices that he's selling the frames for to is very reasonable (even with the additional shipping cost). Why he's doing the Kickstarter: Now I'm ready to bring this product from my basement to the international market, but only with your help. I need to buy a mold to create the new version of Records On Walls, which fits all 12 inch record albums. I'm also hoping to establish European and international distribution, so everyone can enjoy this product at a reasonable price. Your help is truly appreciated!! I've already pledged, get on it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamdbz Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 I use one of these as a sort of "Now Playing" frame above my turntable. Totally back this daegor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKO5950505 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 InForFour. daegor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halftime Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 I don't get it at all. He sells these things on his web page for $8/each. Why would you guys mess around with the vagary of Kickstarter unless you had to. It's not as if the income he generates from Kickstarter is somehow different from his normal mail order business. Sheesh it's just a marketing gimmick. It's really generous of this clown to accept a $5 pledge with nothing in return. I also love his claim that "Big Business is bad", yet he seems to believe taking money for nothing is perfectly acceptable. Korgull Of Morgoth 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daegor Posted November 20, 2013 Author Share Posted November 20, 2013 I don't get it at all. He sells these things on his web page for $8/each. Why would you guys mess around with the vagary of Kickstarter unless you had to. It's not as if the income he generates from Kickstarter is somehow different from his normal mail order business. Sheesh it's just a marketing gimmick. It's really generous of this clown to accept a $5 pledge with nothing in return. I also love his claim that "Big Business is bad", yet he seems to believe taking money for nothing is perfectly acceptable. 1) They're cheaper on the Kickstarter than via his website, so he's offering incentive to pledge. 2) What he's selling via his website are his initial designs that only fit North American standard size LPs. If you actually READ his campaing you'll see that he wants to buy a new mold in order to implement his new design that will work with both North American and European standard sizes (my Euro LPs do not fit in the units I currently have) so that he can expand his market base. 3) Stretch goals include further improvements such as other colours, 7" frames, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halftime Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 1) They're cheaper on the Kickstarter than via his website, so he's offering incentive to pledge. He is tying up your funds for an extended period. Of course they are slightly less expensive. . 2) What he's selling via his website are his initial designs that only fit North American standard size LPs. If you actually READ his campaing you'll see that he wants to buy a new mold in order to implement his new design that will work with both North American and European standard sizes (my Euro LPs do not fit in the units I currently have) so that he can expand his market base. I understand that, but it's not relevant. It could be months before you receive anything if you are expecting the new model. Just wait until he starts selling them on his website and order then. If you want to support his product just buy them through his current website. It's a hell of a lot faster and easier. He is running a for profit business just like any other vendor. Why this guy thinks he deserves donations is mindboggling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shamrocks Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 hint: kickstarters can also be free advertising daegor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbrh2001 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Do you guys know how much a quality injection mold costs to make? That's why he's running the kickstarter. I was quoted somewhere between 10-15k for one just recently by my buddy who's family owns and operates a plastics company. daegor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halftime Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 No he is on Kickstarter because the gullibility of some people knows no bounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbrh2001 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 No he is on Kickstarter because the gullibility of some people knows no bounds. Did you read the whole 10-15k bit I just posted? Why do you assume he has that money just because he's currently selling a different model? This type of business doesn't scream "lucrative" to me so maybe he's selling just enough to help support his family and such and doesn't have that 10-15k sitting around to throw into a new mold? Not that crazy to believe. daegor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daegor Posted November 21, 2013 Author Share Posted November 21, 2013 You seriously seem to be misunderstanding the point of this Kickstarter, which is fine, but don't do raining on everyone else's parade We all get how this works, beyond that, all the points you're bringing up are addressed in the description of the Kickstarter. There is nothing shady here, he's very up front with why he's doing it and what the timelines are, etc, etc. I get that I'll be waiting (until roughly next April) to receive my new units. I get that I could buy them now. However, they won't fit my Euro presses properly which is the main reason I want them. I am okay with my funds being tied up because I am a repeat customer, so I'm not concerned about him delivering (and Kickstarter has accountability mechanisms anyway). I'm not going to wait until he has the new units available because if he doesn't raise enough money than he isn't going to be able to manufacture the new units. Yes, he, like vast majority of the people who use Kickstarter, runs a for profit business. You seem to think that if he just saves his pennies that he'll eventually have enough to do this without the need for a Kickstarter. There are several things wrong with that perception: As mentioned, Kickstarter essentially serves as advertising. Putting a time limit on funding also helps in pulling people off the fence and encouraging them to purchase. If it's unsuccessful it can be a sign that the market (or his marketing, or his product, etc) just isn't right, which is very important information when you're sinking a lot of your own money into something (and before you jump on the whole thing about it being the customers money, not his, actually read some of his posts, he will still need to invest large amounts of his own money into this venture even if successful). All that aside, if he just simply ran his business as is it will take MUCH longer to reach the point where he has enough money to invest in this venture. I don't want to wait that long. Taking that route also runs the risk that because he's currently limiting his market through the limits of his current design he may never be able to raise enough money to implement the new design that should be more profitable for him and expand his market base. The Kickstarter makes sense, both for him and for consumers that want a better product. agreetodisagree and weinerdog 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbrh2001 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 I happened to have learned a lot about plastic injection molding over the past year. The bulk of your upfront expense is in developing the mold. Once that's completed, the materials (assuming its just your average plastic) and labor are relatively inexpensive per unit. When I first went through this kickstarter and saw he was asking 15k,that sounded just about right. That was me assuming he needed to pay for a new mold BEFORE I even read that was exactly what the money was for. The guy seems pretty upfront and reasonable with what he's asking for here with this kickstarter. daegor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbrh2001 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 I really have no convenient place to hang something like this near my setup and prefer hanging prints instead of records but I think its a pretty good idea for those that do want to conveniently and easily swap displays. I think using one as a "what's playing now" display is also a pretty good idea. daegor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Dopp Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 These look fantastic. Simple design that doesn't make you look like a douchebag for wanting to display a few records with awesome artwork. Once I get done moving, I'm certainly going in for 4 of these. daegor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinxabney Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Anybody know if these fit fat 2XLP gatefolds? I bought a 3pack of record frames recently only to have them not fit my Mondo / Studio Ghibli records. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jase Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 So am I right in reading, people think, a 12" record cover is different in size if it's made in Europe or USA? How are they different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korgull Of Morgoth Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 So am I right in reading, people think, a 12" record cover is different in size if it's made in Europe or USA? How are they different? I was once asked by this young 'merican fella if the apparently european records I was selling would be ok to be played on 'mericans systems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Vool Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 I was once asked by this young 'merican fella if the apparently european records I was selling would be ok to be played on 'mericans systems. hahahaha I hope you told him that your records use PAL and not NTSC! cbbrew22 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halftime Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 You seriously seem to be misunderstanding the point of this Kickstarter, which is fine, but don't do raining on everyone else's parade We all get how this works, beyond that, all the points you're bringing up are addressed in the description of the Kickstarter. There is nothing shady here, he's very up front with why he's doing it and what the timelines are, etc, etc. I get that I'll be waiting (until roughly next April) to receive my new units. I get that I could buy them now. However, they won't fit my Euro presses properly which is the main reason I want them. I am okay with my funds being tied up because I am a repeat customer, so I'm not concerned about him delivering (and Kickstarter has accountability mechanisms anyway). I'm not going to wait until he has the new units available because if he doesn't raise enough money than he isn't going to be able to manufacture the new units. Yes, he, like vast majority of the people who use Kickstarter, runs a for profit business. You seem to think that if he just saves his pennies that he'll eventually have enough to do this without the need for a Kickstarter. There are several things wrong with that perception: As mentioned, Kickstarter essentially serves as advertising. Putting a time limit on funding also helps in pulling people off the fence and encouraging them to purchase. If it's unsuccessful it can be a sign that the market (or his marketing, or his product, etc) just isn't right, which is very important information when you're sinking a lot of your own money into something (and before you jump on the whole thing about it being the customers money, not his, actually read some of his posts, he will still need to invest large amounts of his own money into this venture even if successful). All that aside, if he just simply ran his business as is it will take MUCH longer to reach the point where he has enough money to invest in this venture. I don't want to wait that long. Taking that route also runs the risk that because he's currently limiting his market through the limits of his current design he may never be able to raise enough money to implement the new design that should be more profitable for him and expand his market base. The Kickstarter makes sense, both for him and for consumers that want a better product. Blah...Blah...Blah You still haven't answered the question "Why would anyone go through Kickstarter instead of just ordering through his website". "The Kickstarter makes sense, both for him and for consumers that want a better product." I'll agree it makes sense for him, but the consumer ? Give us a break............................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Vool Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 It's awesome that 4 out of your total 6 posts come from bashing in this thread...why not just let people do whatever they want? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamdbz Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Anybody know if these fit fat 2XLP gatefolds? I bought a 3pack of record frames recently only to have them not fit my Mondo / Studio Ghibli records. They should fit gatefolds just fine, I've never had any problems with them daegor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tardcore Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Looking at this guy's website, it seems to me that he has a pretty decent product, but may be lacking in the business sense department. His bundles make zero sense. I can buy a 4 pack or a 12 pack (at the same price per). Why does a 12 pack exist? Then we go from a 12 pack to a 28 pack? Who needs exactly 28 of these things? Oh, and then if I buy 29, why is the 29th one $9 and not $7? The Kickstarter bundles have the same quirks. There are tier jumps that provide no value to the backer, you're just coughing up extra $. I guess the advantage of Kickstarter is that you don't have to go through all the hassle and financial obligation of getting a small business loan or footing the startup expenses yourself. If your Kickstarter flops, you aren't out anything other than a little credibility. daegor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpitts Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 It's awesome that 4 out of your total 6 posts come from bashing in this thread...why not just let people do whatever they want? Didn't you know that VC is a sounding board to rip what you hate instead of actually discuss what you like? I'm kidding, of course, and I agree with you. I am not sure why people get a hair up their ass about what other people do or like. If you don't like it, don't support it. daegor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daegor Posted November 21, 2013 Author Share Posted November 21, 2013 Blah...Blah...Blah You still haven't answered the question "Why would anyone go through Kickstarter instead of just ordering through his website". Actually I did, in detail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daegor Posted November 21, 2013 Author Share Posted November 21, 2013 Looking at this guy's website, it seems to me that he has a pretty decent product, but may be lacking in the business sense department. His bundles make zero sense. I can buy a 4 pack or a 12 pack (at the same price per). Why does a 12 pack exist? Then we go from a 12 pack to a 28 pack? Who needs exactly 28 of these things? Oh, and then if I buy 29, why is the 29th one $9 and not $7? The Kickstarter bundles have the same quirks. There are tier jumps that provide no value to the backer, you're just coughing up extra $. I guess the advantage of Kickstarter is that you don't have to go through all the hassle and financial obligation of getting a small business loan or footing the startup expenses yourself. If your Kickstarter flops, you aren't out anything other than a little credibility. I thought it was odd too, perhaps he has a few different box sizes and that's what fits? *shrug* I showed the frames to my local record store and they bought a big batch to resell. Try that if you want numbers outside what he's offering? My store didn't jack up the price, so I was only paying slightly more per unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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