kurtz

Can't find a thread, let me know if there is one already etc
 
What's the opinion on boots around here? I'm just curious after seeing the System of a Down bootleg thread. Where's the use in buying a bootleg release - it's not going to sound any better than the CD copy, is it? Or am I missing something?
 
Seeing the SOAD album go for $85 seems pretty ridiculous to me. It's about £27.00 on Discogs which is still way too much IMO.
 
What's the appeal of these?

Told some hipster in Soho I listen to vinyl for its better sound quality.

I preordered a record on a Monday, when it wasn't in my mailbox by Wed I called and complained, I also slandered the label on the internet! I know now that I should have waited until at least Friday to do what I did.

Someone said this a few years ago when the first 311 represses went up for preorder:
This board was better when only one guy liked 311, and everyone made fun of him relentlessly.
I think the influx of bad music came when all the repress labels came in, released a few albums the old demographic was interested in, then released the floodgates on the 90s-00s represses of increasingly dubious artistic merit, and fans of that music found themselves more and more at home here. Combine that with an increasingly pog-like collector mentality, and boom, style overwhelms substance with no sweat. I don't know how to feel about the fact that the response to Good Charlotte being pressed isn't "fuck Good Charlotte in their watered-down trend-hopping major label butts".

Two new tapes available from Horror Fiction Tapes that a few people here might dig.
 
http://horrorfictiontapes.blogspot.com/
 
If you are into horror soundtracks I suggest checking this out.

DNT is having a 50% off sale right now. Use the code "50off" at checkout.
 
Pick up some experimental/noise tapes for dirt cheap.
 
dntrecords.storenvy.com/
 

DNT is having a 50% off sale right now. Use the code "50off" at checkout.
 
Pick up some experimental/noise tapes for dirt cheap.
 
dntrecords.storenvy.com/
 

This is good.

This is good.

This kind of blows my mind. How do you start with buying something that expensive?
My first record was like a $3 7".

in no particular order...
 
Fucking Invincible - both 7"s
Backslider - Consequences 10"
Pissed Jeans - Honeys LP
Iron Lung - White Glove Test LP
Pharmakon - Abandon LP
Dissekerad - s/t LP
Effluxus / Infernoh - Split 7"
The Body - Christs, Redeemers LP
Pale Angels - Primal Play LP
Sete Star Sept - Visceral Tavern LP
Wolf Eyes - No Answer-Lower Floors LP
Off With Their Heads - Home LP
Framtid - Defeat Of Civilization LP
Raspberry Bulbs - Deformed Worship LP
Rednecks - Keepsake 7"
Generacion Suicida - Con La Muerte A Tu Lado LP
The Coltranes - Never Sleep Again/Man With The Hat LP
Cosmic Church - Ylistys LP
Vaccine / No Faith - Split 7"

in no particular order...
 
Fucking Invincible - both 7"s
Backslider - Consequences 10"
Pissed Jeans - Honeys LP
Iron Lung - White Glove Test LP
Pharmakon - Abandon LP
Dissekerad - s/t LP
Effluxus / Infernoh - Split 7"
The Body - Christs, Redeemers LP
Pale Angels - Primal Play LP
Sete Star Sept - Visceral Tavern LP
Wolf Eyes - No Answer-Lower Floors LP
Off With Their Heads - Home LP
Framtid - Defeat Of Civilization LP
Raspberry Bulbs - Deformed Worship LP
Rednecks - Keepsake 7"
Generacion Suicida - Con La Muerte A Tu Lado LP
The Coltranes - Never Sleep Again/Man With The Hat LP
Cosmic Church - Ylistys LP
Vaccine / No Faith - Split 7"

Who the #$&% Is Jackson Pollock?

God damn, you will not quit.
 
 

 
According to United's price calculator: 1000 standard weight black LPs in generic DJ sleeves cost $2.09 per unit. If you're only pressing 500, it's $2.82/unit. According to Gotta Groove's price card: $2.20/unit for 1000, $3.10/unit for 500, and that's with no sleeves at all. Other plants' prices are roughly in line with those. That's without premastering, full cover labels, non-generic jackets (gatefold jackets can cost as much as the records themselves) recording costs, and having enough money left over to keep the label's lights on/dump into the next project. I hope this thread doesn't exist just because a guy told you in 2007 that Universal sold 12" singles for $1.50 wholesale. They were that cheap because:
 
1. It was 2007, and I don't care that you think vinyl was big, the record sales show it wasn't. Digital sales were in their infancy, CDs were still king, and vinyl was for nerds, old fogeys, and DJs. Now, post-"vinyl revival", post-Jack White, post-Record Store Day, pressing plants are slammed 24/7 pressing new special edition copies of Rumours, and prices have gone up. This is 5th grade economics here.
 
2. Universal owns the whole pipe, from the artist to the studio to the manufacturing (at least, when they used to own plants of their own) to the distribution. 
 
 
3. 12" singles (at least the kind we're talking about) are more or less all promos, whether they're marked as such or not. They could eat a loss no sweat, because those cheap singles were getting played by DJs and other tastemakers, and that artist's music was getting extra exposure to sell a couple thousand more copies of their album, which had a huge profit margin.
 
For the most part, small labels doing small pressings are doing so because it makes the most sense for them. You keep bringing up Universal, Eminem, Justin Timberlake, as examples of how it should be done, but guess what? Universal has warehouses, huge staff, and hundreds of millions of dollars. Some of these labels you seem to hate are run out of bedrooms, garages, and basements. They don't have the capital or physical space to make thousands of copies of everything they put out just so it never goes out of print.
 
The thing is, I empathize with a lot of the cynicism you hold towards this message board. I hate splatter bullshit, I hate preorders, I hate $20+ single LPs, I hate the fact that people here get excited about Linkin Park and Evanescence and Limp Bizkit reissues and don't give a shit about great new music that's coming out. I think your anger is misplaced, though. This was never an "audiophile"-type vinyl board. It was founded in 2007 by a guy who ran a punk label, when vinyl was just starting to be more of a thing, and it was a place for people with punk/indie/hardcore-type tastes to get more info about what was coming out. Somewhere along the way, it warped into a place where Panic at the Disco has at least 5 separate threads and a guy who works for Hot Topic is revered as a god. But boy you need to take your Valium and stop yelling at a bunch of people who do not care that you like bootlegs or whatever. You hate collector bullshit, that's fine. Welcome to the club. I don't see myself as a collector, but I don't miss out on releases I'm interested in because of people who do. Is it possible that your rage comes from a place of self-loathing, because you have realized that you have the same music tastes as people who keep their records in frames on their walls?

The argument that VC buys records based on color, rarity, and other limited factors over true sound quality is a good argument. 
 
The OP, and his helper are putting up a terrible version of that argument however. But it is indeed a fact, a lot of people around here buy for different reasons than sound or the music.
 
People offering to sell their PO before the record even arrives is a great example. Putting it up for sale or trade soon after it was released/arrived is another example. 

I don't care what they charge for the limited collector colors. As long as there is a more reasonably priced edition for those of us who are just buying the records to listen to.

I could not stop at 10, so here's my top 20. (in alphabetical order)
Bane - Give Blood
The Broadways - Broken Star
Chain Of Strength - The One Thing That Still Holds True
Circle Takes The Square - As The Roots Undo
Converge - Petitioning The Empty Sky
Cursive - The Ugly Organ
Dropkick Murphys - Do Or Die
Fugazi - 13 Songs
Gospel - The Moon Is A Dead World
Kid Dynamite - Shorter, Faster, Louder
Modern Life Is War - My Love, My Way
Mxpx - Let It Happen
The Nation Of Ulysses - Plays Pretty For Baby
None More Black - Loud About Loathing
Pedro The Lion - Control
Q And Not U - Power
Thursday - Full Collapse
Training For Utopia - The Falling Cycle
The Unicorns - Who Will Cut Our Hair When We're Gone?
Zao - Where Blood And Fire Bring Rest

I bought those two cds when Takehold was selling off all it's stock dirt cheap. I think I paid $2 each for them.
 
I then sold them off when they were going for $100 a piece on ebay.
 
IMO those eps are kinda boring. The Changing Of Times was leaps and bounds better!

What world do you live in where record collectors don't go digging thru used bins? I have not met anyone who still buys records that doesn't do this.
 
I have also never met a record collector that would rather have a new repress than a used original or earlier pressing.

What world do you live in where record collectors don't go digging thru used bins? I have not met anyone who still buys records that doesn't do this.
 
I have also never met a record collector that would rather have a new repress than a used original or earlier pressing.

What world do you live in where record collectors don't go digging thru used bins? I have not met anyone who still buys records that doesn't do this.
 
I have also never met a record collector that would rather have a new repress than a used original or earlier pressing.

funniest post in this thread.

Robotic Empire was in contact with the band about repressing this and the band said they didn't want it repressed.
 
He then did the respectable thing and let it go.
 
1st step when releasing any record should always be contact the band. IMO a release like this is nothing more than a legal bootleg.