dapeebs Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 It's Cedric 2.0! I love this band, but they don't know what they're talking about. This is being done through SRC in conjunction with Sony and Epic, just because they didn't ask you first, that doesn't mean it's illegal. Unfortunately, they probably own more of your music than you do. That's how major labels work... here comes the whole debacle that we went through with Cartel's Chroma.... probably somewhat different circumstances but still... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daegor Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 It's Cedric 2.0! I love this band, but they don't know what they're talking about. This is being done through SRC in conjunction with Sony and Epic, just because they didn't ask you first, that doesn't mean it's illegal. Unfortunately, they probably own more of your music than you do. That's how major labels work... What topher said. The disappointment thing here is that it (likely) means that we won't see other albums pressed any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rawker31 Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 I'm sure they are just unaware that the license was bought to press the album, which clearly shows Chevelle was not behind this release. Kind of sucks but what can you do. I wonder how true it is that Chevelle will be pressing their own albums...however I cringe with the 'vinyl' reply :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danionly Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Oh good grief. I think I'm more disappointed that they used the word 'vinyl(s)'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWALL Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Vinyl(s)! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danionly Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 But really, let's debate how much say any band has over T-shirts that have their name on them, or how many cds, etc. are made with their name name/music on it that they did not specifically have a say in. Face it, you signed to a major label, they helped you out a ton, gave you exposure, but you signed away the rights to your music and if your label sells the licensing to a vinyl label, what can you do? Of course I'd like the band to give their blessing to every release, but it's naive to think every record you own has been cleared with the artist. topher and daegor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topher Posted June 7, 2014 Author Share Posted June 7, 2014 Face it, you signed to a major label, they helped you out a ton, gave you exposure, but you signed away the rights to your music and if your label sells the licensing to a vinyl label, what can you do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
distinctlydustin Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Yes, Dani nailed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmhmm Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 "Illegally" lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFP Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 "Illegally" lol. Official Bootleg? danionly and mmhmm 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcpherson123 Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 I would expect to see a lot of this with almost any band. Especially with SRC label productions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topher Posted June 10, 2014 Author Share Posted June 10, 2014 How long do you guys think the red will last? I'm hoping at least until the shipping date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topher Posted June 13, 2014 Author Share Posted June 13, 2014 I really hope this "bootleg" stuff doesn't become a big deal, or that SRC can get this sorted out for the band. I'd hate to see the same thing that happened with the recent Mars Volta re-issues. Say what you will about SRC, but I trust them way more to put out a quality product than I would the band (who has no experience releasing vinyl) doing it themselves. Klefki and TFP 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFP Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Say what you will about SRC, but I trust them way more to put out a quality product than I would the band (who has no experience releasing vinyl) doing it themselves. True, I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topher Posted July 1, 2014 Author Share Posted July 1, 2014 Here are some official mock-ups that someone posted on Discogs. http://www.discogs.com/Chevelle-Wonder-Whats-Next/release/5839236 http://www.discogs.com/Chevelle-Wonder-Whats-Next/release/5839207 Nothing for coke bottle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefoxUSSR Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Say what you will about SRC, but I trust them way more to put out a quality product than I would the band (who has no experience releasing vinyl) doing it themselves. Exactly. I feel the same about the whole HUM situation. Bands have been complicit in releasing cd-master vinyl, never issuing a decent master, gouging fans, releasing only on picture disc, everything Glassjaw does, reselling de-warped records, etc. And I love Failure, but they can suck it. At least ORG made an attempt. You guys had 20 years to release Magnified on LP, get the fuck over it. Oh and why exactly why isn't Fantastic Planet readily available? Everyone should be able to hear that. It should be at the fucking public library. "Illegally" lol. It should be illegal to release an album with only 5 dB of dynamic range, *cough* Chevelle *cough* Klefki and topher 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topher Posted July 15, 2014 Author Share Posted July 15, 2014 Can SRC confirm that this is still on schedule for shipping next week? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daegor Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Can SRC confirm that this is still on schedule for shipping next week? I don't know, perhaps you should ask them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Yeah, fuck the band, they have no say since they signed to a major. As long as I can get my colored vinyls, I don't care about the people who made the music on the vinyls. My vinyls collection is too important to have it be incomplete because some dumb musicians can't read a contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danionly Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Yup, that's totally what anyone in this thread said. You summed it up nicely. topher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 You think I read this whole thread...lol. And yes, I know that is pretty much what you people are thinking...as long as you can get your nostalgia fix, you don't care about how the artist feels with respect to how the music they created is distributed "because they signed with a major". Go ahead, prove me wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daegor Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 I honestly feel like I'm on both sides on the fence. On one hand, I'm totally pro-band on this argument, it's their fucking music, their livelihood, they should be involved. On the other hand, is the whole 'read your contract' deal. PLUS... it's weird to me that musicians care at all. I mean, I have NEVER heard of a musician getting all up in arms when their CD is repressed without their consultation, or when a new distributor starts selling their mp3s... why does the medium make a difference? Seriously, I'm asking that question. How, from the perspective of the artist or the label, is this any different than a new CD pressing or digital distribution? mmhmm and Sandmankev 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcpherson123 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 I honestly feel like I'm on both sides on the fence. On one hand, I'm totally pro-band on this argument, it's their fucking music, their livelihood, they should be involved. On the other hand, is the whole 'read your contract' deal. PLUS... it's weird to me that musicians care at all. I mean, I have NEVER heard of a musician getting all up in arms when their CD is repressed without their consultation, or when a new distributor starts selling their mp3s... why does the medium make a difference? Seriously, I'm asking that question. How, from the perspective of the artist or the label, is this any different than a new CD pressing or digital distribution? I'm not 100% on this but I'm thinking that because these days, well after the heyday of analog reproduction being the only way for music storage to occur, bands are afraid that certain labels who press their music without their consent will cut corners and simply cut a lacquer from consumer grade CD playback or even worse, low quality digital files. Certain bands are probably worried about their music being properly treated and mastered for vinyl from original multitrack tapes/sourcefiles. Again, that may be the concern. For the most part, you can't fuck up creating mp3 or WAV files for your digital distribution and most CD's are not pressed from anything less than the proper CD master when they're being ordered from a proper CD manufacturer because that process is much more prevalent and probably easier than the vinyl mastering and mass duplication process when its done correctly with highest possible fidelity in mind. daegor and kurtz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danionly Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Well thank you for telling me what I was thinking. As an artist if you want to say "We don't support this project and we'd appreciate if you, our fans, would also not support it" I'd care. But if you say "This is an illegal bootleg. We did not give our consent to do this." you are lying. There is nothing illegal about this pressing, it is not a bootleg, and they did consent to the licensing and merchandising of their music the minute they signed on the line. Let's say I just got a job at a design firm, and I sign a contract with the company that states that all my designs are property of the company and I relinquish all rights to them. Down the line I leave the firm for one reason or another. They go on to use my designs on packaging, posters, everything under the sun. Are you going to have sympathy for me as the artist when I complain about how they are "illegally" using my work? I'm pretty tired of the morality police telling me my reasoning for buying what vinyls I want to buy. daegor and topher 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topher Posted July 16, 2014 Author Share Posted July 16, 2014 Go ahead, prove me wrong. Challenge accepted. First off, this album has no nostalgic value whatsoever to me. I still listen to it. I still enjoy it. I've loved this band since 2004. I've enjoyed their highs, and cringed at some of their lows. They still make music that I enjoy, and I continue to support the band. Second, I'm not interested in the "limited edition" factor. In this case, I purchased the most limited variant because that's the version I felt like buying. Don't care if they made 500 or 500,000 of them. And if I decide to buy the other variant(s), it's because I want a complete collection for one of my favorite bands. Finally, I have a buddy who met Chevelle after a show in 2009 and he asked them if they'd ever release any of their music on vinyl. They said they were working on it. That was 5 years ago. Every year I hear about someone meeting the band and asking about this, and the band's response is always that it'll happen eventually. Now it's happening, and they're upset because they didn't get to be a part of it. What serious contribution could the band have had to the physical product in the end anyway? And if Chevelle did have total control in pressing this, I can almost guarantee it would've been a 47 minute album squeezed onto a single 120g LP mastered from a CD. It's obvious that the only reason they've been interested in vinyl for the last 5 years is because suddenly, it's "in" again. The band themselves would've been the ones making a "collectors item". Not SRC. (Wow, that seems really weird to say.) tl;dr: SRC acquired the rights legally. The band didn't get the memo, and they're upset. But they've had 12 years to press this album, specifically, "themselves". They expressed interest in having their music on vinyl. That's what this is. And it will sound a hell of a lot better than if the band had had control over it. Sad, but true. rawker31, mmhmm and daegor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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