daegor Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 So this is for ART, and not the music is what I'm getting from you. Truthfully, I watched your video and Ii clearly states that anyone who purchases one of these should have at least a 1 inch clearance. My turntable doesn't have that. So why the hell would I buy this if I can't even play it? Plus from the video, the audio just sounds like noises. Those two things are why I am not buying it. Yeah the concept is neat but the execution is flawed. It's not practical, it's a gimmick. I think you don't realize that he's saying exactly this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piaptk Posted July 28, 2014 Author Share Posted July 28, 2014 No reason to get so aggro there, Farts. This record's existence is not an affront to you on a personal level. It's an art project, but is very practical within it's own purpose, which you may or may not find practical to your own life... To misquote Ian Svenonius "Art ain't for everyone". It is a neat idea, but the execution is not flawed. It is the way it is for several reasons. 1. It requires extra clearance because of the nature of the off-set holes. Without the extra clearance, the pattern of holes wouldn't work, and as you can see in the photo, the grooves narrowly miss the holes at every point. Technically, you really only need 1/2 inch (or less) on most turntables. Each record is a little but different and I was just being a little on the safe side in the video. They play fine on every dj turntable I own. Why the hell would you buy this? I don't know... Apparently you aren't going to... but thats ok, Farts... I won't take it personally. 2. Due to the overlapping grooves, some of the rings make a weird chirping sound. That sound might get kind of annoying if it happened twice every 1.8 seconds in an actual song. So, Dimitri wrote a sound collage composition with the chirp in mind and uses it as a beat. 3. Due to the handmade nature of the drilled holes, and the fact that the holes keep getting in the way of the groove, each ring is going to fit music of variable lengths, and not more than a couple minutes per. Therefore, the music had to be suitable for being cut up anywhere and into any length. 4. The music IS just sounds. Cut and pasted sounds. There is a huge culture out there dedicated to noise, avant garde music and experimentalism. Some is great, some is downright awful and most falls somewhere in the middle. And two different people with different tastes will have completely opposite opinions about all of it. And that is ok. All in all, most people buy records for the artistry of vinyl. Sure, the fidelity can be better than digital (if you have a really incredible playback system and a superhuman ear), but there are a lot of more important (to me) reasons behind making/buying vinyl. The fact that it's a physical format, the artwork, the tangible interaction it requires, the way your collection describes your personality, etc. The things I make are an extension of myself. And not everyone "gets" me or understands why I do what I do. My normie coworkers didn't, my parents don't, and apparently you don't. It's ok. I still get along with my coworkers and my parents, and hopefully you, Farts. I don't understand why people like football, futball, or Miley Cyrus. But, what will be, will be, and what does it have to do with me? Shooby doobie doobie, weeeee! Plus, to quote Bob Dobbs "Fuck em if they can't take a joke..." daegor, agaetisbyrjun, slinch and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apirk Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Cool idea, not a huge fan of the artist but if you make a wooden wand one I'd be all over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just a normal guy kevin Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 No reason to get so aggro there, Farts. This record's existence is not an affront to you on a personal level. It's an art project, but is very practical within it's own purpose, which you may or may not find practical to your own life... To misquote Ian Svenonius "Art ain't for everyone". It is a neat idea, but the execution is not flawed. It is the way it is for several reasons. 1. It requires extra clearance because of the nature of the off-set holes. Without the extra clearance, the pattern of holes wouldn't work, and as you can see in the photo, the grooves narrowly miss the holes at every point. Technically, you really only need 1/2 inch (or less) on most turntables. Each record is a little but different and I was just being a little on the safe side in the video. They play fine on every dj turntable I own. Why the hell would you buy this? I don't know... Apparently you aren't going to... but thats ok, Farts... I won't take it personally. 2. Due to the overlapping grooves, some of the rings make a weird chirping sound. That sound might get kind of annoying if it happened twice every 1.8 seconds in an actual song. So, Dimitri wrote a sound collage composition with the chirp in mind and uses it as a beat. 3. Due to the handmade nature of the drilled holes, and the fact that the holes keep getting in the way of the groove, each ring is going to fit music of variable lengths, and not more than a couple minutes per. Therefore, the music had to be suitable for being cut up anywhere and into any length. 4. The music IS just sounds. Cut and pasted sounds. There is a huge culture out there dedicated to noise, avant garde music and experimentalism. Some is great, some is downright awful and most falls somewhere in the middle. And two different people with different tastes will have completely opposite opinions about all of it. And that is ok. All in all, most people buy records for the artistry of vinyl. Sure, the fidelity can be better than digital (if you have a really incredible playback system and a superhuman ear), but there are a lot of more important (to me) reasons behind making/buying vinyl. The fact that it's a physical format, the artwork, the tangible interaction it requires, the way your collection describes your personality, etc. The things I make are an extension of myself. And not everyone "gets" me or understands why I do what I do. My normie coworkers didn't, my parents don't, and apparently you don't. It's ok. I still get along with my coworkers and my parents, and hopefully you, Farts. I don't understand why people like football, futball, or Miley Cyrus. But, what will be, will be, and what does it have to do with me? Shooby doobie doobie, weeeee! Plus, to quote Bob Dobbs "Fuck em if they can't take a joke..." You, nor anyone, should ever have to explain themselves to an individual named Farts. For every dumbo post in this thread, there are multiple people who got the concept and just didn't leave a post to represent their effective reading comprehension and critical thinking skills. Don't mistake the dodos for any kind of majority that needs to take up your energy. Rock on and please post those Dr Dog b-sides/side projects. piaptk and serum7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serum7 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 You, nor anyone, should ever have to explain themselves to an individual named Farts. Also, I imagine this as Jack White's reaction, followed by one of his own in a few months. BobbyHill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknown pleasures Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Also, I imagine this as Jack White's reaction, followed by one of his own in a few months. Separated at birth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piaptk Posted July 29, 2014 Author Share Posted July 29, 2014 Here is the sound collage composition that makes up the record... https://soundcloud.com/piaptkshop/american-monoxide-great-six-sider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 No reason to get so aggro there, Farts. This record's existence is not an affront to you on a personal level. It's an art project, but is very practical within it's own purpose, which you may or may not find practical to your own life... To misquote Ian Svenonius "Art ain't for everyone". It is a neat idea, but the execution is not flawed. It is the way it is for several reasons. 1. It requires extra clearance because of the nature of the off-set holes. Without the extra clearance, the pattern of holes wouldn't work, and as you can see in the photo, the grooves narrowly miss the holes at every point. Technically, you really only need 1/2 inch (or less) on most turntables. Each record is a little but different and I was just being a little on the safe side in the video. They play fine on every dj turntable I own. Why the hell would you buy this? I don't know... Apparently you aren't going to... but thats ok, Farts... I won't take it personally. 2. Due to the overlapping grooves, some of the rings make a weird chirping sound. That sound might get kind of annoying if it happened twice every 1.8 seconds in an actual song. So, Dimitri wrote a sound collage composition with the chirp in mind and uses it as a beat. 3. Due to the handmade nature of the drilled holes, and the fact that the holes keep getting in the way of the groove, each ring is going to fit music of variable lengths, and not more than a couple minutes per. Therefore, the music had to be suitable for being cut up anywhere and into any length. 4. The music IS just sounds. Cut and pasted sounds. There is a huge culture out there dedicated to noise, avant garde music and experimentalism. Some is great, some is downright awful and most falls somewhere in the middle. And two different people with different tastes will have completely opposite opinions about all of it. And that is ok. All in all, most people buy records for the artistry of vinyl. Sure, the fidelity can be better than digital (if you have a really incredible playback system and a superhuman ear), but there are a lot of more important (to me) reasons behind making/buying vinyl. The fact that it's a physical format, the artwork, the tangible interaction it requires, the way your collection describes your personality, etc. The things I make are an extension of myself. And not everyone "gets" me or understands why I do what I do. My normie coworkers didn't, my parents don't, and apparently you don't. It's ok. I still get along with my coworkers and my parents, and hopefully you, Farts. I don't understand why people like football, futball, or Miley Cyrus. But, what will be, will be, and what does it have to do with me? Shooby doobie doobie, weeeee! Plus, to quote Bob Dobbs "Fuck em if they can't take a joke..." Hey now. Settle your jimmies! I apologize if I came off as aggressive, as that was not the intent. I speak speaking for others (and also as myself) when it comes to the practicality of it in terms of peoples setups and the legitimate playability. I don't think what you're doing is stupid because it's awesome, but there are serious drawbacks. This isn't something that I can look at. It's not something I can play. It would be sandwiched between other records due to that. Maybe if you switched to a 9 inch, and cut out the overlap it would possibly be worthwhile for the average person. We can agree to disagree. You said that MOST people buy vinyl for the artistry and I'm not sure what you mean by that (colors?) IF that's what you mean - you could be right. Sure, the Sculpture picture discs were "art" but everyone who bought it could play it and find a means to make the animations stand out. Those are practical and I have one! So keep doing your thing. I was just stating my reasons and hopefully you can take some of the feedback and incorporate it into some of your other works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Here is the sound collage composition that makes up the record... https://soundcloud.com/piaptkshop/american-monoxide-great-six-sider So essentially you'll release anyone's music who is able to copy/paste and has a recording program on their computer? Okay. AlexH. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just a normal guy kevin Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Waiting for the subsequent post where wcjasjbkisaosjopjs clarifies that he's not trying to be an asshole & that he's just sharing free top notch advice that you will hopefully incorporate into your future releases. piaptk and Chuck Shivers 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daegor Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 So essentially you'll release anyone's music who is able to copy/paste and has a recording program on their computer? Okay. While I do find the collage annoying personally, your comment displays general disdain and ignorance of art (regardless of medium) in general. Chuck Shivers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexH. Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 So essentially you'll release anyone's music who is able to copy/paste and has a recording program on their computer? Okay. I accidentally upvoted you but I meant to downvote you for making such a dumb comment. smgdh at anyone who talks shit about PIAPTK. One of the coolest labels in the game, they put out lots of great music but they're not afraid to play around with the format. Every release is a work of art. piaptk, Ballisticgoat and daegor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piaptk Posted July 30, 2014 Author Share Posted July 30, 2014 4. The music IS just sounds. Cut and pasted sounds. There is a huge culture out there dedicated to noise, avant garde music and experimentalism. Some is great, some is downright awful and most falls somewhere in the middle. And two different people with different tastes will have completely opposite opinions about all of it. And that is ok. Plus, to quote Bob Dobbs "Fuck em if they can't take a joke..." daegor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piaptk Posted July 30, 2014 Author Share Posted July 30, 2014 So keep doing your thing. I was just stating my reasons and hopefully you can take some of the feedback and incorporate it into some of your other works. Well, of the 133 releases I've put out since 2006, 132 of them DON'T have these drawbacks, so it's safe to say that some of my other works in the future will not have them either. You can check out all 132 of my "not freaky" records at PIAPTK.com. Pressed records in handmade sleeves, handmade/stained/silkscreened wooden boxsets, see-through picture discs, X-Ray flexis, Hand bound books, etc etc. Almost all of them incorporate some sort of handmade art, and the vast majority are "practical players". And like I said, even these 6 siders play fine on every turntable I own (6 of them). If you've got some sort of weird turntable that has no clearance outside the platter, then, bummer. What model is it? When I google image "Turntable", there isn't a single one on the first page that looks like has too little clearance. https://www.google.com/search?q=turntable&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=gC_ZU6P9HpGDjAKGpoGYCw&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAg But for the present and the near future, I feel like getting freaky. So, you can expect even more weird "borderline practical" art pieces with music that people may or may not like in the very near future. All this is typed with love and a smile on my face. I love what I do, regardless of what anyone else thinks, but I appreciate the feedback from those that don't love it or understand it. It helps me to streamline my art and message so that it has the smallest chance of being misunderstood... but, even a message that is properly relayed is not always warmly received. Chuck Shivers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBarry Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Son of a bitch I totally would buy an x-ray flexi but it's sold out :| do you have a twitter or anything like that you announce releases on? Edit: Never mind just found it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackholexxxx Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Son of a bitch I totally would buy an x-ray flexi but it's sold out :| Still available. He recently put a bunch of his archives on sale. piaptk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just a normal guy kevin Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 That Microphones lo-fi wire recorder 7". Please get it for me for Xmas, VC. Thank you. piaptk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Shivers Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 I have an Ariel Pink / R. Stevie Moore 7" that PIAPTK cut into a shinny mirror, you couldn't get me to trade or sell it. I tip my hat to PIAPTK, let's get freaky brother. I'm ready to see and hear what's next. piaptk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsusi Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Got my "6-sided" record today with the x-ray flexi, nice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfish Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Still available. He recently put a bunch of his archives on sale. Unfortunately, now it's listed on the page, but completely missing from the drop-down menu. Wonder if it's sold out again or just missing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Shivers Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Unfortunately, now it's listed on the page, but completely missing from the drop-down menu. Wonder if it's sold out again or just missing. Try the link that says 'Last Chance' at the bottom of the store list. I see it there with a drop down menu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickxmurphy Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Pretty neat idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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