googlemyass Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 birdwell, i tip my hat off to you, i dub thee, jackass of the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
googlemyass Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 Referring to myself just as much as I'm referring to you. Really? All I did was make a bad joke about getting some free records. There was a pretty healthy discussion going with a lot of input from people that know what they're talking about until you came into the thread and started insulting people and shoving your opinions down people's throats. as you internet savvy kids say, "QFT". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdwell Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 Yes, Guttermouth is most certainly not the way LOL. This dude is so clueless. Additionally, it's funny that you say "Face to Face" is how you solve the problem, as if a member(s) of this board is going to fly to Denver and tell Virgil that they have a problem with the way VC is being run. Clueless indeed, I've certainly never heard of Guttermouth or Face To Face. Phone-Calls are still a pretty direct form of communication. I'm not saying to hop the next flight out to Denver. If my e-mails weren't being returned, I'd make a phone-call before posting on a Message Board forum...that's what I'm saying. Also, I feel this thread should be locked simply b/c Virgil replied in this thread...directly. Anon got what he wanted. As noted by several people, this isn't the only thread that's gone around discussing this topic...were the other threads locked (legit question here)? Bring on the hate and the smites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oi Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 This thread is really about the existential crisis the members of this board would go through if it ceased to exist because Suburban Home records went under. Nothing more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinyljunkie Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 Hey but now you can follow the VC business model and learn how to be just like them? I did not name the panel(not a big fan of the name) and I have made enough mistakes putting out records, I feel like I have some constructive things to say about the matter. When asked to speak on a panel about vinyl, I said why not. If you were in my shoes, I am sure you would have done the same thing. no most certainly not. I have no desire to be in any sort of panel....ever. especially one focusing on the business end of things and making money off of vinyl. but thats personal choice, nothing against you personally for being on a panel or anything. I just find it humorous/ironic the TIMING of the situation, being on a panel educating people on how to get rich off of vinyl, when that business plan is not working (or no longer working at least). Its like going to listen to Kenneth Lay and Jeffrey Skilling from enron speak on a panel on how to run a large energy corporation. (which would be difficult i know because Lay is dead). or listening to Chris Brown or Tiger woods speak on a panel about proper and healthy relationships with the opposite sex. Its not even personal, just seems like horrible timing to have a relatively public situation about lack of money and being way in the hole thousands and thousands, unable to pay labels and pressing plants, and doing last ditch efforts and pleas to avoid going under completely, and meanwhile hop on "professional" panels to speak about the profitability opportunities of getting into the vinyl business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll76 Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 This thread is really about the existential crisis the members of this board would go through if it ceased to exist because Suburban Home records went under. Nothing more. http://www.proboards.com/ Just start another one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 WE WILL MOVE TO THE GIRLFRIEND NUDES BOARD! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goraiders Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 WE WILL MOVE TO THE GIRLFRIEND NUDES BOARD! i vote yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travis Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 I do my best to try and stay out of the drama on here but, really? Comparing Virgil to Kenneth Lay and Jeffrey Skilling? Or Chris Brown even? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinyljunkie Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 I do my best to try and stay out of the drama on here but, really? Comparing Virgil to Kenneth Lay and Jeffrey Skilling? Or Chris Brown even? reading comprehension dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll76 Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 Where's Servo??? :'( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pastepunk Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 It's interesting how there's such a double standard for record labels or distros when it comes to financial issues. If you had a favorite pizza shop and found out that the owner was having trouble making his rent b/c of the economy or because maybe the pizza place spent too much money on a renovation that maybe bigger than necessary, would you stop supporting the shop? Would the pizza not taste as good? And did someone really compare this to Enron?!? I imagine that the only people who honestly wish Virgil and company to enter a death spiral w/ their business are people that have never ever had the responsibility of running a company or supporting themselves or others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinyljunkie Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 boy. people on this board have horrible reading comprehension. but jordan - the difference that people are saying they have problems with is not the monetary issues, lots of people have supported virgil with financial issues. The only things ive seen people post is that they wont buy now because labels arent getting paid and they are worried that money they are giving out isnt going to the bands/labels. Or worrying about not getting something in return (like with the history of preorders). The problem with VC is its not just a shop thats not doing so well. this has a lot farther reaches than that unfortunately since it affects a lot of other people. and has a possibility of affecting even more down the road with new labels/bands/customers/etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftoffthedial Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 It's interesting how there's such a double standard for record labels or distros when it comes to financial issues. If you had a favorite pizza shop and found out that the owner was having trouble making his rent b/c of the economy or because maybe the pizza place spent too much money on a renovation that maybe bigger than necessary, would you stop supporting the shop? Would the pizza not taste as good?And did someone really compare this to Enron?!? I imagine that the only people who honestly wish Virgil and company to enter a death spiral w/ their business are people that have never ever had the responsibility of running a company or supporting themselves or others. Most of the people complaining in these threads aren't the customers buying things, but the suppliers of the product. If your local pizza place was in financial crisis, chances are the person supplying the flour or tomato sauce or whatever would have issues if the shop stopped paying them, and would be hesitant to keep giving them ingredients. I don't think anyone is wishing for VC to spiral and fail. The majority of people on these threads would be stoked if suddenly they were getting paid for records or in the case of the co-op saw their invested money being put to use etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 So to help these labels get the money they are owed, we shouldn't give VC money? WHAAAAAT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danthemjfan23 Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 this is a pretty cool slideshow about transparency: http://www.flickr.com/photos/w00kie/sets/180637/show/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benchwarmer Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 if my local pizza place took over a year to deliver a pizza, I'd be pretty bummed and probably wouldn't shop there anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
googlemyass Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 if my local pizza place took over a year to deliver a pizza, I'd be pretty bummed and probably wouldn't shop there anymore. amen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshnotgood Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 if my local pizza place took over a year to deliver a pizza, I'd be pretty bummed and probably wouldn't shop there anymore. amen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pastepunk Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 I'm no stranger to being owed money by labels; I did all of the ad bookings for Pastepunk for about six years and it was no picnic getting paid, so I sympathize with the late payments. After not paying me for seven months, a very large label once asked me over the phone, "why is this so important to you?" One band booked a multi-month banner, and half a year later said to me, "I not going to pay for the banner. We need all of our band money for touring." So believe me, I understand. But there's a huge difference between delayed payments for 'bad times' and maybe even just being in a difficult position of being temporarily overextended, versus totally being silent on everything and just saying 'fuck you' to your obligations and not owning up to it. Maybe there's more going on... I don't know. But I have known Virgil for 10 years and have had business relationships with him (our compilations, shirts, and mugs went through SH), and it bothers me when people assert nefarious motives to his business or otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinyljunkie Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 and it bothers me when people assert nefarious motives to his business or otherwise. maybe i missed something along the line, but ive never seen anyone assert nefarious motives to virgil. ive never seen slanderous posts accusing him of getting rich and spending labels money on coke and bmws or whatever. not a single post. on the contrary most posts made questioning decisions, or asking for information usually state that they know virgils heart is in the right place, or something like "im sure he is doing his best to work it out" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themean Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 Titus Vinyljunkie has been pretty on point on this page, and has said most of what I would have said. The title of that panel offends me. I would go nowhere near any sort of panel about how to make money off of music. Music holds such a special place for me that I find it disgusting that a panel like that (or Itsajakie) exist. I'm not even saying that the motive of Virgil/VC is $$$. I would venture to guess that he got into this for the love, and got in over his head with bad business decisions. Now (with continuing to release things while not paying labels) he is basically doubling down with other people's money. The honorable thing to do would be not to spend any more money until the labels have been paid. The money grabs like the $1000 lifetime deal don't help either. This board seems obsessed with two of the things that I think are vinyl collecting at their worst - preorders and multiple limited variants. When I see people with ten copies of the same record, and less than a 100 records it makes me think that they aren't in it for the music. It's just beanie-babies to them. Props to Virgil for at least posting in this thread, but really it's on him to keep people updated. Dude who is putting the onus on the labels has it backwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshnotgood Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 The honorable thing to do would be not to spend any more money until the labels have been paid. It doesn't make sense to me that this isn't the approach being taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyleevanswastaken Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 I think people really want this thread closed because it has nothing to do with misprints on blink 182 reissues or rare variants of shitty org core records. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowpoke Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 I think virgil is doing a fine job running this label and distro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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