TheWindBlower Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 From some documentaries I've seen on Jeff, if there's one thing he does well besides taking crazy bumps, it's playing ridiculous characters. I'm sure if they keep Willow around it'll be a little fun to watch, but hopefully, they don't turn it in to something like the shitshow that was Joseph Park and Abyss being like a split personality. I haven't watched TNA regularly in forever, but it seemed like that storyline went on for years and was justifiably awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 I do kind of with there was more to Hardy's "Willow" costume. The gimmick and everything is cool but it's literally just Jeff Hardy with a mask on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 From some documentaries I've seen on Jeff, if there's one thing he does well besides taking crazy bumps, it's playing ridiculous characters. I'm sure if they keep Willow around it'll be a little fun to watch, but hopefully, they don't turn it in to something like the shitshow that was Joseph Park and Abyss being like a split personality. I haven't watched TNA regularly in forever, but it seemed like that storyline went on for years and was justifiably awful. Yeah, and now i see Abyss is back with short hair and a crappier mask. That angle and Aces & 8s went on far too long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWindBlower Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Yeah, and now i see Abyss is back with short hair and a crappier mask. That angle and Aces & 8s went on far too long. What a mess. I didn't dig much into the Aces & Eights stuff, but everything that I read online said it was dreadful. The storyline with Hogan's daughter and Bubba was supposedly really bad too. I don't know. TNA just seems to get nothing right. We all bitch on here about how the right guys don't get pushed in WWE, but at least the writing isn't as bad as TNA. Hahahaha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 What a mess. I didn't dig much into the Aces & Eights stuff, but everything that I read online said it was dreadful. The storyline with Hogan's daughter and Bubba was supposedly really bad too. I don't know. TNA just seems to get nothing right. We all bitch on here about how the right guys don't get pushed in WWE, but at least the writing isn't as bad as TNA. Hahahaha. Yeah, the only good thing about Brooke/Bubba Ray was when he turned and revealed he was the leader of A&8s. Before and after that, total garbage. Bubba's matches have been pretty good, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWindBlower Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Yeah, the only good thing about Brooke/Bubba Ray was when he turned and revealed he was the leader of A&8s. Before and after that, total garbage. Bubba's matches have been pretty good, though. I think Bubba always put on pretty good matches. Obviously shined most when with Devon, but he was still pretty good individually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluedeni Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 His matches as the leader of Aces & 8s were horrible. That one match with Jeff Hardy when he cleaned off the table and moved it closer and then laid on it so Jeff could land on him was atrocious. He really made it look fake. I love his old matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danaisalright Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 I think Bubba always put on pretty good matches. Obviously shined most when with Devon, but he was still pretty good individually. Bully Ray is literally one of the best heels right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWindBlower Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Bully Ray is literally one of the best heels right now. Really? I haven't watched Bully Ray or TNA in a while so I haven't seen the promos he's been cutting lately. That's good to hear that he's still got it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc32137 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Punk's on Talking Dead right now, introduced as Phil Brooks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWindBlower Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Punk's on Talking Dead right now, introduced as Phil Brooks. Shit. I saw that earlier this week and forgot to tune in. How was it?! Any mention of WWE? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirrichardrichard Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 No, they mentioned his twitter account @CMpunk though - he kind of raised his eyebrows for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dantheriver Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 He made a remark about being a whole new man now when Shirley said he was being super nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWindBlower Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Right on. I'm interested to see what he does next after his WWE contract is up. It kind of seems like WWE has given up on trying to get him back. He's no longer on the first section of WWE superstars on the Shop homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 From what i've read, it seems only Vince is really adamant about bringing him back. Triple H was more willing to let him walk. Of course, this is all rumor. i assume if he does come back, it will be after Wrestlemania. i'll miss him, but if he's happier this way, so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWindBlower Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 i'll miss him, but if he's happier this way, so be it. My thoughts exactly. At first, I considered giving up on watching, but now that Bryan is getting a chance at Mania, and Cesaro seems in line for a push, I'll stick around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ifworkpermits Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 My thoughts exactly. At first, I considered giving up on watching, but now that Bryan is getting a chance at Mania, and Cesaro seems in line for a push, I'll stick around. My only problem is the D Bry thing seems like its doing well now, but what happens when that ends? Ziggler isn't gettin a push anytime soon... Cesaro is getting noticed but even Ryback got a bigger push and look at where he is now... The shield breaking up (supposedly) creates more of a chance to bury 1 or 2 of the 3 guys, which then we lose as well. CM Punk was the only guy we all loved and respected that made it to the "top" and stayed at the top. With him gone, I don't know if the WWE will put anyone else like that in the same position again.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWindBlower Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 My only problem is the D Bry thing seems like its doing well now, but what happens when that ends? Ziggler isn't gettin a push anytime soon... Cesaro is getting noticed but even Ryback got a bigger push and look at where he is now... The shield breaking up (supposedly) creates more of a chance to bury 1 or 2 of the 3 guys, which then we lose as well. CM Punk was the only guy we all loved and respected that made it to the "top" and stayed at the top. With him gone, I don't know if the WWE will put anyone else like that in the same position again.... I definitely see what you're saying, but I think it just comes down to how the writers work. Bryan could take the title at Mania and lead to a "Summer of Goat" or something like that, and it could be a fantastic time. Bryan has gotten substantially more charismatic on the mic since he's gotten the push with Kane as Tag Champs. The difference between Ryback and Cesaro is that Ryback got a huge push and flopped. Kids weren't into it as much as expected, and adults chanted Goldberg every time he stepped into the ring. Not to mention, they wrote his storyline terribly. He was thrown into the title picture with Punk, where he was destined to lose because you can't have a newcomer end the longest WWE title reign in the last 20? years. Since Cesaro is already established as a former champion, indie legend, and all around freak of power, it's more likely that he can work in the title picture better than the poorly written and premature Ryback campaign. Especially since, if Bryan was to take the title, it could open the floodgate for new challengers after he's done with Orton and Batista. The timing of the Real Americans break up seems perfect for Cesaro to make a serious attempt at the belt. As for Ziggler, that's just a sad situation. Dude gets couple concussions and gets written off ENTIRELY. I love watching Ziggler, and his energy is great. But, Jesus Christ, can someone on the modern roster learn how to properly take the Fame-asser? Every time Dolph goes for it, he either overshoots it or his opponent (see most recent example: Del Rio on Smackdown this past Friday) undersells/doesn't react properly. Would love to hear other people's thoughts on these topics, as well. It's been a while since I've had a good discussion about the WWE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ifworkpermits Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I definitely see what you're saying, but I think it just comes down to how the writers work. Bryan could take the title at Mania and lead to a "Summer of Goat" or something like that, and it could be a fantastic time. Bryan has gotten substantially more charismatic on the mic since he's gotten the push with Kane as Tag Champs. The difference between Ryback and Cesaro is that Ryback got a huge push and flopped. Kids weren't into it as much as expected, and adults chanted Goldberg every time he stepped into the ring. Not to mention, they wrote his storyline terribly. He was thrown into the title picture with Punk, where he was destined to lose because you can't have a newcomer end the longest WWE title reign in the last 20? years. Since Cesaro is already established as a former champion, indie legend, and all around freak of power, it's more likely that he can work in the title picture better than the poorly written and premature Ryback campaign. Especially since, if Bryan was to take the title, it could open the floodgate for new challengers after he's done with Orton and Batista. The timing of the Real Americans break up seems perfect for Cesaro to make a serious attempt at the belt. As for Ziggler, that's just a sad situation. Dude gets couple concussions and gets written off ENTIRELY. I love watching Ziggler, and his energy is great. But, Jesus Christ, can someone on the modern roster learn how to properly take the Fame-asser? Every time Dolph goes for it, he either overshoots it or his opponent (see most recent example: Del Rio on Smackdown this past Friday) undersells/doesn't react properly. Would love to hear other people's thoughts on these topics, as well. It's been a while since I've had a good discussion about the WWE. I agree the Summer of Bryan (GOAT) could be amazing, but what then... It wasn't too long ago he was the World's Strongest Vegan who was buried in like 6 seconds to open Wrestlemania. Granted they have done an amazing job recently (starting with Kane) but up to that point, he was an average mid carder (who should have been a main eventer). To me, their problems really came to light the second they unified the titles because now people who are fighting to be at the main event status have nothing to fight for... the World Heavyweight Championship was a stepping stone (sad to say) to the WWE championship... with them combined and Orton plus (insert part timer here) fighting over it, it makes the rest of their talent have nothing to fight for. We're really fucked if they unify the USA and Intercontinental because neither of those really hold value anymore (at least recently). They need something for their mid level to fight for in order to stay relevant so people don't just tune them out. Internet fans will always watch the MidCard and ridicule their lack of use, but in order for them to sell merchandise and make the WWE money, they need something to strive for and for the first time in a long time, there is nothing... CM Punk got out at the right time, which is sad because he was one of the primary reasons I watched wrestling. I will admit to not being a long time fan (only recently got into it 3 years back) and I am definately not the most knowledgable, but Punk MADE me want to watch the show in the same way that Bryan is MAKING me want to watch it now. Bryan doesn't have the same allure as Punk did primarily because he won't stand up for himself the way Punk did... but in the end, that is his demise as well. I don't know... Wrestlemania 30 will make or break a lot of fans. P.s. Fantasy booking time: After D Bry beats Tripple H in the opening match of WM30, he gets inserted into the title match. After he is getting seriously worked (as heroes do) and is about to gain momentum, Kane and Triple H come out to interfere... cut to CM Punk's music where he either A) fights back or Pipe Bombs mania, either of which distract everyone except Bryan, who comes in for the win. Could you imagine the crowd pop with Yes chants as CM Punk lifts Bryans hand into the air holding both belts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWindBlower Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Right on. I've totally forgotten that Bryan used to be a half-decent mid carder, and I think that "forgetting" can be attributed to his huge rise to the top since teaming with Kane. I'm not sure that what Bryan was before matters anymore. It's about what he's doing now, and what he's doing is uniting ALL of the fans of the WWE. Kids and adults alike back up Bryan, in a way that Punk and Cena couldn't fully get, because of his anti-authority attitude and respected ring presence. Everyone, seemingly, wants to see Bryan with the belt over Orton, who has been there done that and is completely stale, and Batista, who quite frankly doesn't deserve to be in the WWE at all. Nothing has really pissed me off more than Batista coming back and getting the A+ treatment. If he didn't win me the VC Royal Rumble pool this year, I'd consider him a complete waste. I'm on the fence about combining the titles, both the main ones and mid card ones. I like the idea of having one champion be dominant, and it used to work REALLY well in the 90's. It also gave the Intercontinental title a lot more prestige. Guys like Hogan and Warrior fighting over both titles, that was exciting. (Obviously, I was too young to have watched it live, but going back to rematch those matches, they have great energy.) You are right though. It does seem like the guys on the cusp of being the WWE Champion (the true champion) don't have anything to fight over except a shot at the big title. I'm not sure that combining the mid card belts will even make a difference. They're both so stale, and it's a real shame because Big E and Ambrose are, in my opinion, two FANTASTIC up and comers. I really enjoy watching those guys in the ring and on the mic. Mania would be a make or break for me had I not purchased the Network, but I feel tied in for another 6 months, at least. Hahaha. Also, if Wyatt doesn't take the win at Mania, we riot. Your fantasy booking would be very cool. I'd love to see Punk back in some respect. Whether we get it or not, who knows. I just hope so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dantheriver Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Pretty sure Bryan will be the last of his kind in the WWE. They hate it when the crowd doesn't react the way they expect them to. NXT is going to be WWE's "indy fed", and guys like Bryan will get to shine there from now on, but not on the big stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgato48 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Going to raw tonight. Surprisingly not sold out yet. Would think a road to mania show would sell out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWindBlower Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Pretty sure Bryan will be the last of his kind in the WWE. They hate it when the crowd doesn't react the way they expect them to. NXT is going to be WWE's "indy fed", and guys like Bryan will get to shine there from now on, but not on the big stage. That's an interesting idea. I hadn't thought about that. I really enjoy how they're pushing NXT on the Network. NXT is consistently a great program. It's interesting to think that it could serve as its own show with well-known stars, as opposed to a proving ground to get bumped up to the main programming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I just want to touch on what was said about the Sheild on the last page- Do you really think a break up would turn into any of them getting buried? They have each displayed towering individual value. And you have to imagine that a break up wouldn't exactly be swift- there would almost certainly be a lengthy fall-out with incredible matches. And once they're each removed from each other, there's a ton of upside potential. Likely more of reigns than the others, but we know Ambrose can hang as a singles competitor, and Rollins is becoming more and more exciting with every match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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