seangj Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 The thing is is that all of this could have been avoided if he was cooperative. You don't have to "conform" to someone that is higher up than you. Just cooperate and then you'll be on your way. If you haven't done anything wrong, then why try to provoke the situation? Show them respect and more than likely they will return it. They're just trying to do their job. This turbobrando 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futures Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 I am not digging this monday-after-a-4-day-weekend. circuit bored records and turbobrando 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbobrando Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 I am not digging this monday-after-a-4-day-weekend. I second this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zacaroo21 Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 Thirded circuit bored records 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steventangent Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 Asking whether you're being detained isn't provoking the officer. Though, for that matter, even if you tell the cop to hurry up because you're on your way to fart in his mother's mouth doesn't give the police a justified reason to violate your fourth amendment rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 How far am I constitutionally required to roll the window down in inches when stopped at a DUI checkpoint to talk to the officer? I'd like to know for future reference. I see that as being the jumping off point for the entire ordeal. turbobrando 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futures Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 So after hearing the "Craigslist Prostitute" thread come up in a bunch of threads as of late, I decided to check it out to see what made it Hall of Fame worthy... & it left me genuinely pissed off and made me glad that a majority of those people who were present in that thread no longer post here. ShakeyHands 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abovetheearth Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 How far am I constitutionally required to roll the window down in inches when stopped at a DUI checkpoint to talk to the officer? I'd like to know for future reference. I see that as being the jumping off point for the entire ordeal. I was an MP for 5-6 years then a civilian for one. and there are many differences, but mostly just protocol and coding and what not, obviously, but most of the rest stays the same. lebowski has pretty much nailed it from the beginning. i watched about 3 mins of the video and stopped it. rolling down your window? technically you dont have too. chances are if you do as minimum as possible, it will just piss him off, and it may show that you have something to hide....thus setting a chain of events for them to warrant up excuses and bypass things in order to make your night a living hell. courtesy window amount is just enough to hear him and pass information through...but all the way down will make him a happy camper. if it was less than 2", thats where id draw my personal line. this kid was doing this on purpose. by being defensive it gives the officer every right to assume something 'not right' was going on, or happened, thus giving the officer the right to search the car based upon his suspicions. if you pull someone over, and you smell weed, you can search it. no questions asked. honestly, it all depends on the cop and the person. if they work together, things go smoothly...but from experience, when a kid does this, they are guilty of something....whether it be suspended license or some kind of warrant. this cop looks seasoned and he looks like he's played this game many times. so basically, once again, each stop basically just depends on whether or not your cop is either a dick or has had a bad day....but on his suspicions alone, he is entitled to search a car based on that. he has to have some kind of basis or suspect you of something to search. by law in many states, cops are authorized to arrest drivers for minor traffic offenses...speeding, no seat belt etc...and if he chooses to arrest you, that also gives him the right to conduct a search. cops will sometimes try to provoke you, get your irritated or somehow commit a crime when nothing has really happened. i hope some of this had made some sense...and sorry if its jumbled, but i have that new baby, new position at work and no sleep. turbobrando and Green Tea Papi 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steventangent Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 By that standard, ANYTHING can be labeled "suspicious." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abovetheearth Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Honestly, yes. That's how I was taught. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steventangent Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 And it's kind of disgusting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abovetheearth Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Kiss their ass and it goes well. Cops hate being wrong, and more importantly, feel disrespected. If you question their knowledge of the law is a slap in their face because they don't know all the law. turbobrando 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Tea Papi Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Cops hate being wrong, and more importantly, feel disrespected. If you question their knowledge of the law is a slap in their face because they don't know all the law. This and they think they're above the law too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23VnH-_7JqI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abovetheearth Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Most of the shit gets cleaned up or shit stormed after the fact. By then months pass. Memory fades. And the law wins because it has to be upheld. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steventangent Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Some cops don't know the law? That's fine when it comes to some statutes and things like that. It's not when it comes to the fundamental laws of the land, including that all people are innocent until proven guilty and have freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures. Or at least, that's how it's supposed to work. It's not a citizens job to kiss a cop's ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abovetheearth Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Very true. I don't mean fundamental or state laws. But every single detail, no. I didn't mean, kiss their ass. And I could care less of the persons attitude. I'm just going by personal accounts of colleagues who intended to ruin people's days because they weren't ass kissingly nice. There are still more good and great cops than bad. But sometimes you just get some guy hard up for authority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steventangent Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 It's pretty obvious we're going to have significantly different ideas about what is acceptable. But this is America, a country that was supposed to be founded on what were radical ideas of personal freedom and how the role of government, including police, was supposed to be derived from the people, not the other way around. I know we've spent generations trying to piss all over that and that somehow makes it okay. Having nothing to hide means you should have all the more reason to not be put through indignity, embarrassment, or abuse of authority. I understand most cops are working stiffs that just want to get through a day. They work for a fundamentally and increasingly corrupt institution. What exactly were we supposed to be celebrating on the fourth of this month? No-knock warrants? More SWAT raids? Drones? NSA logs? Warrantless wiretapping? Endless wars? The NDAA? The TSA and DHS and no-fly lists and whatever the hell else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steventangent Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 I try to be respectful of police, and recognize that it's just the person's job. I keep in mind that he doesn't know me and doesn't know how many guns I have or how I'm mentally unstable and couldn't afford my pills this week. I understand most of them just want to get home to their DVR and a beer. I get it. By that doesn't mean I want them searching my car and finding my gay porn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abovetheearth Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Basically they're trying to make their city money. More money makes everything better right? But I'm agreeing with you steven. On everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steventangent Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 BUT I WANNA ARGUE ABOUT EVERYTHING turbobrando and GradedOnACurve 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 What exactly were we supposed to be celebrating on the fourth of this month? No-knock warrants? More SWAT raids? Drones? NSA logs? Warrantless wiretapping? Endless wars? The NDAA? The TSA and DHS and no-fly lists and whatever the hell else? That, plus BBQ, alcoholism, and fireworks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abovetheearth Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 BUT I WANNA ARGUE ABOUT EVERYTHING me too, but its hard when we agree!! i was just stating from personal experience and a few things i was taught. just like most workplaces, its all political. some of its disgusting, some of its bearable while most of its great. obviously its not like this everywhere. but some cases stand out and nowadays with social media and easy access to cameras, most everything will be documented. and in most cases when they are, its just nabbing that one asshole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 You wanna hammer the 4th amendment but drunk drivers threaten my right to live. Doesn't mean we need big brother searching us all the time in the name of protecting lives but suspicious activity at a DUI checkpoint is worthy of further investigation. Nothing "unwarranted" about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 If you still want someone to argue with... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steventangent Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 He didn't ask if he'd been drinking or even where he'd come from though. Nobody is going to gripe about a drunk driver getting busted at a checkpoint... I don't know, for me the clincher is how the cop is being sassy about the kid "knowing his rights." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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