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On 31/08/2017 at 1:30 PM, poweredbytrust said:

yeah, that would be totally like... the original release?

They also did a 2LP 45rpm release in 1987. The original vinyl is cut at a very low volume due to the running times per side and as a result has a high noise floor. This is just science.

4 hours ago, VinylMario said:

A remastered AJFA would be massive! James and Lars would basically be admitting that they were in the wrong. The whole world knows that Newsted's bass lines were lowered to almost nil. Rasmussen mentioned that they were never finalized in his mix. They were scrapped. Lars changed everything he had done. Of course next year will be the 30th anniversary of that album. So fingers crossed they get this one right...

We need a remix, not a remaster. The lack of bass is in the stereo mix, so no amount of mastering is going to fix it. The album desperately needs a new mix and release it alongside the original mix so that no-one can say revisionism is bad as they wouldn't be trying to replace it. Hopefully the original multitracks are in good shape. Heck if they managed to find the original PRE-bounce tapes for Sgt Peppers 50 years later to create new stereo and 5.1 mixes, there's hope for AJFA.

12 hours ago, mcpherson123 said:

I believe Undertow and Opiate are recorded and mixed in full AA domain. I though I saw some literature about Aenima being AAA but past that there has been some dumping into Pro Tools for mixing though Joe Baressi did take the Pro Tools mixes and mix finally mix to 1/2" tape. If I'm remembering correctly. 

I think you're correct, I'm pretty sure Ron and Sylvia mixed Undertow on a Neve 8038 console. Even 10,000 Days appears to have been kept all analogue right until the final mastering stage when Bob Ludwig used a Pyramix DAW which in 2005/2006 would have been capable of DXD. Final master was 24/96, but does the stereo master mix (ie - before the mastering) exist on tape? According to mixonline's interview with Barresi and Ludwig the multitrack format was analogue tape but also dumped to ProTools "to preserve it". It also states the album was mixed by Barresi on an SSL G+ console which is an analogue mixing console. So was the ProTools dump just for archival purposes and the mix was all analogue right up to the mastering stage?

I do like what Bob said about it: "If any record deserves to be heard in surround sound, it's this one. There's so much tone painting and so much color. It would just be a thrill to hear it in surround sound. And with 96k, 24-bit masters, we're ready for any kind of high-resolution digital projects.”

I'll see if Mr. L can shed some light on the final process, he's usually very responsive to courteous e-mails. Have also asked Adam for some insight on the earlier albums. It does sounds like Opiate, Undertow and AEnima were all mixed on Neve consoles.

On 5/9/2017 at 10:25 PM, VinylMario said:

So did anyone else hear or see any rumors about Tool's possible reissues? I'm dying to know if it's true...

I'm cautiously optimistic about the Tool reissues. From the sounds of things they aren't well underway, and Adam Jones has been taking thoughts from lots of people at SHTV including myself and seems to be really noting the information/recommendations. Lots of recommendations for 5.1 which would be aces, but he's a vinyl fan and he's heard a lot of feedback on how to do vinyl properly so hopefully they'll be involved and ensure the remasters are treated with care and not just "180g audiophile whoo hooo yay" marketing BS.
 

He has liked a lot of the posts supplying insightful information...I recommended using a mastering house that can cut and master in an all analogue chain and suggested: i) Bernie Grundman Mastering (either Bernie or Chris Bellman would be fine) ii) AcousTech / Cohearent Audio (Kevin Gray or Steve Hoffman with Kevin Gray) and iii) Sterling Sound (Ryan K. Smith who took over from George Marino and now masters in George's old room, Ryan was his protege)

I would easily buy both AAA 2LP vinyl release for stereo and Blu-ray for 5.1 of any of the Tool albums...cost is no barrier when it comes to these works of art.

 

On 8/11/2017 at 0:09 PM, mcpherson123 said:

Wow. I really hope that is real. I also really hope that Lateralus is remastered in proper track order. I also hope that NONE of these are fucking picture discs. Can't wait to see how these come out. 

 

 

I also really hope that got a vinyl cutting genius like Golden or Ludwig on this as well.

Ludwig doesn't cut vinyl and hasn't in ages, he masters and then his digital files will be send to someone to cut lacquers.

Often you'll find 15% off coupons for these guys and their inners and outer sleeves are excellent (the Diskeeper ones) and their pricing ordering directly is better than their pricing on Amazon.

For box sets, these have been aces for me - http://www.sleevecityusa.com/ultimate-outer-boxed-set-pack-of-25-p/9350.htm

12 hours ago, simple_torture said:

Two copies of this Spoon record exist; 72 people have it in their collection: https://www.discogs.com/Spoon-Hot-Thoughts/release/9988789

Oh my God that's pathetic! What a great example tho. haha.

1 hour ago, youspinmeround said:

Someone added the definitive edition downward spiral in discogs and 4 people added.

 

I messaged them to see if they actually got it

Discogs is pretty sloppy like that, I know it's the users that are sloppy but it still irks me when people don't use the system properly.

One good thing about the inner labels on the records, we can see that Dirt was recorded to 24-track 30ips analogue tape. Hopefully some day Alice In Chains' masterpiece (IMO) will get the proper 2LP AAA treatment it deserves, c'mon Analog Spark!

Currently a difference of $0.13 by ordering from Amazon.

Analog Spark continue to show some appreciation for 90s albums with their announcing of The Cranberries' "Everybody Else Is Doing It, So Why Can't We?" - they've licensed the original analogue stereo master and Sean Magee at Abbey Road is doing the cutting. Who is Sean Magee? He is one half of the duo that did all the work on the all analogue "The Beatles in Mono" box set.

Based on how great Blind Melon's Soup sounds, I'm very excited to see another 90s album recorded to analogue tape getting the AAA treatment.

https://analogspark.com/products/the-cranberries-everybody-else-is-doing-it-so-why-cant-we-180-gram-vinyl-record-coming-soon?variant=40927996938


 

First widely available vinyl release after being out of print on vinyl for over 24 years

Cut from the original stereo tapes by Sean Magee at Abbey Road Studios

180-gram LP plated and pressed at QRP

Housed in a Stoughton old style tip-on gatefold jacket

On 2/28/2017 at 3:57 PM, rogeoa8 said:

few bands could sell their fans a bag of rocks and have their fans thank them.

hahaha, that's awesome

No difference between coloured and black.

Also I wonder if the black is now in stock, Amazon Canada was "back-ordered" but just shipped mine today so I'll have it on Monday. Schweet!

\m/ \m/

Singles as a movie doesn't hold up particularly well other than the anticipation of the funny bits with the Pearl Jam guys and the Alice in Chains live scene...but boy Say Anything holds up really well and is still as funny and moving as it was back when I first saw it around 1990 as a 16 year old and the Blu-ray is terrific, great picture quality and nice clarity on the 5.1 mix. Great soundtrack on that one too, Chili Peppers, Mother Love Bone, Joe Satriani, Peter Gabriel...

 

That's pretty freakin' sweet looking! I'm going for the black but damn...that looks really cool.

Never heard they'd reissued Stacked Up until now, anyone pick up the record and comment on the sound compared to the original? Original vinyl is pretty easy to find in near mint condition, but I'd be keen to know how the new one sounds. I may order the CD regardless to get all those extra tracks in lossless.

I first heard these guys in either late '94 or '95 when "The Key" was in video rotation, picked up the CD at The CD Bar on Yonge Street (Toronto) later that day or the next day.

Age of Panic is my fave track, there is a wicked remix on the CD single too and I eventually picked that one up on vinyl (https://www.discogs.com/Senser-Age-Of-Panic/release/763512)

On 1/16/2017 at 6:33 PM, boxenstien said:

the multitracks are unmastered and unmixed, you can't really just throw them into audacity and mix and render...

For the full albums offered they're only unmastered, but they're mixed in stereo and time coded properly where they'd be found in the stereo final mix so rendering gives you the equivalent of a unmastered stereo mix. As they note, "With the release of Year Zero multitracks were released in "full length" format, which made it easier to combine and re-create the original track, and also made it easier for beginning remixers to hit the ground running"

If you download the Garageband files then you're getting the individual samples and every little track and those are not mixed, those would be for a more accomplished remixer.

So you can get unmastered mixes of the entirety of Year Zero and The Slip as well as THTF and Only from WT that are fully dynamic and sound absolutely fab cranked.

$20 pretty much for the black 2LPs? I'm in for the first three, nice to see source lineage being revealed too. 
Amazon Canada is listing these for CDN$42/ea, not very nice. Will order from Bull Moose!

3 hours ago, firefoxussr said:

Yeah I recall the HM vinyl wasn't a huge step up in sound compared to other releases.   

 

I have heard about fans making a dynamic mix of YZ from the multi-tracks.  I looked at public postings...trail went cold. PM me in the right direction?  

Authorized by TR; all you need to do is load each file in Audacity, CTRL+A to select all and then choose TRACKS > MIX AND RENDER.

I can't recall if you need to amplify by minus 10dB or not first but you'll know if you mix and render and everything goes red like an Oasis waveform clipping to shite!

If you aren't too familiar with the process, let me know and I'll throw In This Twilight into a Dropbox. If TR has authorized it, I can't see it being an issue with anyone.

The multitracks (choose full length) are located here - http://www.ninremixes.com/multitracks.php

You can also snag The Slip from here and the NIN/JA tour sampler and get a nice dynamic mix of Chip Away from Jane's Addiction. Most of the other multis are not the original studio multis but rather Rock Band stems and the like. Each one is noted though so if there are one or two others they'll be easy to find.

Oh yeah, "Suck" (Pigface version) is there also as well as The Hand That Feeds and Only.

As you are familiar with DR stuff, check out the difference between THTF from Halo 18 (single)  vs. multitracks rendered to stereo:

DR         Peak         RMS     Duration Track
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DR5       -1.04 dB    -7.54 dB      3:39 01-The Hand That Feeds
DR14      -0.43 dB   -17.66 dB      3:38 01-The Hand That Feeds (from Multitracks)

May 19th is supposedly being provided by Epic Soundtrax (I expect the vinyl is causing delays as the remastered album was put out in December digitally), I reckon this is actually a solid date now.

2 hours ago, jhulud said:

Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross Score Ken Burns’s ‘Vietnam War’

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/arts/music/trent-reznor-atticus-ross-ken-burns-vietnam.html?_r=2

 

 

Wow! Awesome news and great choice for the subject matter. Sounds really cool too, 2+ hours of new material, some reworked bits of NIN and other scores, roll on September.

I don't find The Social Network has a lot of replay value as a movie (I listen to the score), but Dragon Tattoo is amazing on repeat viewings and I find I enjoy it more and more each time...and the music doesn't hurt.

2 hours ago, jhulud said:

Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross Score Ken Burns’s ‘Vietnam War’

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/arts/music/trent-reznor-atticus-ross-ken-burns-vietnam.html?_r=2

 

 

Wow! Awesome news and great choice for the subject matter. Sounds really cool too, 2+ hours of new material, some reworked bits of NIN and other scores, roll on September.

I don't find The Social Network has a lot of replay value as a movie (I listen to the score), but Dragon Tattoo is amazing on repeat viewings and I find I enjoy it more and more each time...and the music doesn't hurt.

On 1/11/2017 at 9:21 AM, firefoxussr said:

Same here.  I take issue when the only version of a recording is the blown out sounding loudasfck master.  I love loud music, but I like some dramatic passages too.  Even in the loudest of music, you should still have cymbals not drowned in guitars/vocals.  NIN has made a less dynamic master that still sounds great.

 

And I'm nearly certain even if the loud masters are given to the pressing plant, they will go through some sort of change just to make it work on vinyl.  Also do keep in mind that Sr. Reznor may be giving a multi-track to whomever is mastering the vinyl edition.  He didn't say 'yo i'ma drop the flac on the vinyl house and have them press this old crap'.

He actually did state on ETS that the 24-bit downloads are the masters being used for vinyl.

The only changes they will go through at the cutting house (the pressing house is unlikely doing the lacquers, Hesitation Marks was cut by Chris Bellman and pressed at crappy URP) would be things like making the low end mono, de-essing, things that make the record playable. Their goal is to match the master they're sent as accurately as possible.

Have you downloaded the multitracks for Year Zero? Listening to a recompiled In This Twilight with the same dynamics as the 1989 CD of Pretty Hate Machine cranked up on a good system is pretty awesome. This is what's frustrating about Trent, he has so much cool shit going on like appreciating surround sound (releasing The Social Network score as a 5.1 high resolution Blu-ray, who else does that? Hardly anyone!), dropping unmastered fully dynamic multitracks to two entire albums as well as a bunch of other stuff (Jane's Addiction Chip Away/Whores) - I can't even count on one hand how many times I've heard that happen, instrumentals, fighting like hell for fans to get the best tickets to show with their names on them scalper-free and calling out TM/LN at the same time (shame they deleted the forums where his post was), insanely brilliant live shows, doing two masterings (HM, even if the audiophile one turned out to be a big disappointment), dumping 400GB raw live footage via torrents, but then eviscerates the dynamics of Broken and calls it definitive! Has his hearing gone the way of Rick Rubin's? I don't know, I'm not his audiologist, lol.

In a perfect world they'd have released the DRminusinfinity version of Broken as a 16-bit download and done a nice new fully dynamic remastering for 24/96 version. You don't, and if you do you're doing it wrong, listen to 24/96 while jumping around at the gym, you do listen to 24/96 on your main system designed around maximum playback fidelity.




 

Souvlaki really doesn't sound anything like Just For A Day, one song doesn't really clue us in to how the rest of the album will sound. Maybe there is a "Primal" on there?

Awesome that they are releasing a new record, new Slowdive, new Ride, so cool. I saw Slowdive in 2014 and they sounded excellent, hope this new album brings them back to North America again.

1 hour ago, glass realms said:

If this Discogs info is accurate, then no.

https://www.discogs.com/Portishead-Dummy/release/6022530

There's quite a bit of mixed opinion on GZVinyl, I believe I have the original UK and the 320 and I found the 320 better so I'll stick to two copies for now.

I'll upgrade if they do a fancy schmancy 2LP 45rpm pressing with source info revealed...along similar lines I found that 45rpm release of the first Sneaker Pimps album to be fantastic.

5 hours ago, Derek™ said:

Please don't even talk to me about sound fidelity if you're not hooking up your turntable to your car.  Have some respect for the medium, goddammit.

lol, just made me think about the ESPN 30 for 30 episode with Holmes/Ali where Holmes has a little 7" record player in his car and a cell phone even bigger than Zach Morris'.