daver2980 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 dontrelle willis in a phillies uni will be wierd - i guess for only a mil plus performance bonuses it wasn't that bad of a deal - especially since he obviously won't earn any performance bonusesif he only pitches to one or two lefties a game he should be decent Ha. Dude had a 5 ERA and 1.5 whip last year and it was his best numbers in the last 5 years. Maybe he will prove me wrong, but I would rather my Tigers took anyone off their AAA or AA roster and threw them out there than ride the D-Train again. He's just plain awful. Phillies should have given that mil to Rollins to help get him back. he killed lefties though - he held them to a .127 avg last season - he's obviously not going to be starting - that would be the mistake of a lifetime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Ha. Dude had a 5 ERA and 1.5 whip last year and it was his best numbers in the last 5 years. Maybe he will prove me wrong, but I would rather my Tigers took anyone off their AAA or AA roster and threw them out there than ride the D-Train again. He's just plain awful. Phillies should have given that mil to Rollins to help get him back. he killed lefties though - he held them to a .127 avg last season - he's obviously not going to be starting - that would be the mistake of a lifetime Yeah, I was aware of this before I made my post. Still, good luck with him. He hasn't pitched many innings the last few years in total so the number of lefties faced is a fairly small sample size. Dontrelle is a walk machine. I would be shocked if he has an ERA near 4 and if a guy is going to be a lefty specialist, I wouldn't call them successful unless they have an ERA below 3. Seriously asking, is it possible to have a pitcher who walks the hell out of righties but has great control against lefties? Not just a little better control against lefties, but a significant change? I suspect Dontrelle's splits are a combination of small sample size, a slight ability to pitch better against lefty hitters, and just plain statistical randomness. That's just what my eyes tell me from that disaster of a run in Detroit (but at least we also got Cabrera out of that deal for Cameron Maybin and Andrew Miller. Steal). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selfreliable Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 A million dollars for Willis is fine. As a LOOGY that can also mop up if needed. Charlie wont be putting him in situations where the game is on the line unless Willis can somehow get back to his old form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpumaorn Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 hitler reacts to pujols leaving STL...pretty funny! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpumaorn Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 i really hope pujols does well for the angels...but something tells me this could be a blessing in disguise for STL. he really should have gone down a legend in STL just like stan musial...but $hit happens... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 A million dollars for Willis is fine. As a LOOGY that can also mop up if needed. Charlie wont be putting him in situations where the game is on the line unless Willis can somehow get back to his old form. Obviously I'm no talent scout and can only go based on what I saw in his starts the last couple years combined with high level stats off the internet, but I don't think he is worth a dollar and some envelopes. The worst thing a mop up guy can do is walk guys, and that is the guy's M.O. Plus, even if you designate a "mop up" guy that doesn't mean you accept shitty pitching. If you choose to believe he will be successful against lefties than just have to agree to disagree and say "we'll see". I would give just about any AAA guy a shot over Willis. 1 Mill is pocket change in the MLB so the downside is low, but I'm saying that after 5 years of shitty pitching, I'm calling his upside low too. Marlins, Tigers, D-Backs, and Reds dumped him for a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclz Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Who do you guys think got Darvish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travis Posted December 15, 2011 Author Share Posted December 15, 2011 Yankees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest threegcoalman Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Who do you guys think got Darvish? From what I've seen so far, the only team confirmed to have put in a bid was the Yankees. And according to source, it was a "nominal" amount. And with another source saying that the Japanese team was overwhelmed with the offer, I do not believe it's them. My minds telling me the Blue Jays or Rangers, but my gut is for some reason telling me the Mariners, just for the two facts of 1) The main owner is Japanese, and 2) To appease his fanbase, with Ichiro getting older and probably out of there in a couple of years, they will need that key guy. But then again, I've been wrong before haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclz Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 I'm hoping it's the Yankees because we need some pitching, but besides the Yankees the 3 other teams I heard in the mix were Blue Jays, Rangers, and Cubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travis Posted December 15, 2011 Author Share Posted December 15, 2011 Yea those are the same clubs Ive heard and I heard the Blue Jays put up a massive offer. I just hope he doesnt go to the Yankees or Rangers. I dont care if anyone else gets him. Hopefully its a NL team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selfreliable Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 The dude has a terrible moustache, I think he would fit in great with the Rangers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 I don't really know much about Darvish. What is to make me think he won't be the next Kei Igawa or Dice-K? Seems like the bust rate on Japanese pitchers is pretty high. Would rather my team just stuck with talent from North and South America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzersonKillwell Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 I don't really know much about Darvish. What is to make me think he won't be the next Kei Igawa or Dice-K? Seems like the bust rate on Japanese pitchers is pretty high. Would rather my team just stuck with talent from North and South America. Sure does seem that way. I wonder how much of a merchandising revenue stream the open up in Eastern markets. Rumor today, as Travis said, is the Blue Jays may have made a big ol' offer. It would be interesting to see the Blue Jays pick him up, they have done a decent job building recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclz Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 I don't really know much about Darvish. What is to make me think he won't be the next Kei Igawa or Dice-K? Seems like the bust rate on Japanese pitchers is pretty high. Would rather my team just stuck with talent from North and South America. I read once that the reason is because in Japan they play fewer games, have a 6 man (not 5) pitching rotation, different size balls, and a different type of pitching mound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danthemjfan23 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 and, you know, worse players. if tuffy rhodes can't make a team in the major leagues, and wins the MVP award over in japan, clearly it's not the best competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 I don't really know much about Darvish. What is to make me think he won't be the next Kei Igawa or Dice-K? Seems like the bust rate on Japanese pitchers is pretty high. Would rather my team just stuck with talent from North and South America. I read once that the reason is because in Japan they play fewer games, have a 6 man (not 5) pitching rotation, different size balls, and a different type of pitching mound. Not to make it seem like judging baseball talent is a piece of cake, but why can't GMs factor this into their scounting? Seems pretty simple. Not saying don't sign these guys, but I don't see how yahoo's free agent tracker has Darvish ahead of Oswalt, Buehrle, CJ Wilson, and only behind Pujols and Fielder. I do like Kuroda. That's a successful signing. Does Toronto's fanbase spread pretty far across Canada or is it relatively concentrated in the city? Isn't there a larger than normal population of Japanese and Chinese people living around Vancouver? I think I learned that in class one time. Maybe Toronto is trying to take this market from Seattle? That's not based on any facts, just my conjecture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flood Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 dont forget the yanks also have a HUGE japanese fanbase.... they've signed quite a few high profile asian players over the years... and Matsui was arguably the biggest star (Ichiro is great, but he was a high avg/low power guy)... hell theres a www.yankeesbeisbol.com banner behind the batter like every game.. that being said i heard they definitely posted, but it wasn't anything crazy... they're the only team ive heard that confirmed they sent in a bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retrospectacle Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 hell theres a www.yankeesbeisbol.com banner behind the batter like every game.. Uh, yankeesbeisbol is Spanish. But I did hear that the Cubs are now in the bidding. Theo Epstein had the highest posting bid in major league history for a Japanese player when he posted $51 million before being able to negotiate with Daisuke Matsuzaka. You think he'll go in just as hard for Darvish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flood Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 isnt it beisbol in japan as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclz Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 isnt it beisbol in japan as well? No, but they do have Japanese ads at Yankee Stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selfreliable Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 I gotta disagree on Matsui being bigger than Ichiro. Matsui only made two allstar appearances while Ichiro made 10. Yes he played longer but Ichiro beat him out many years on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flood Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 if i recall correctly Matsui is a 500 hr hitter when you factor in the japanese numbers... he was also a beast over there.. multiple time mvp winner, and i think he would have been the highest paid player ever in japan if he hadn't left to come to the US. Ichiro is great.. but he's more of a pete rose archetype of a player... matsui was a prototypical power hitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzersonKillwell Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 But I did hear that the Cubs are now in the bidding. Theo Epstein had the highest posting bid in major league history for a Japanese player when he posted $51 million before being able to negotiate with Daisuke Matsuzaka. You think he'll go in just as hard for Darvish? I don't think the Sox will spend big here. I'd be shocked to see them commit a lot of money to anyone this off season, especially in this situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzersonKillwell Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 if i recall correctly Matsui is a 500 hr hitter when you factor in the japanese numbers... he was also a beast over there.. multiple time mvp winner, and i think he would have been the highest paid player ever in japan if he hadn't left to come to the US. Ichiro is great.. but he's more of a pete rose archetype of a player... matsui was a prototypical power hitter It's Apples to Oranges. Plus it ignores context of the players contributions in a team setting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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