crime Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 haha. i love this! he definitely is. i'm a big aoki fan. the brewers got fleeced, and now the royals' outfield is pretty solid. gordon, cain, aoki? is there someone else i'm missing? i disagree about mujica either way. he was really solid until they overused him in late august/early september. analysts noted the cardinals used him in three straight two-inning appearances at one point and mujica himself said it wore him out, and he never really recovered from it. not saying it was only due to that because he probably wore down over the course of the season but i think poor bullpen management by the cards contributed as well Is that what it was with Mujica? I really don't follow the NL close enough to know these things. I just know he lost his closers role due to "loss of control". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Mujica's stats look pretty consistent across the last 5 years. He's a 3ish ERA 1.1ish WHIP guy. He plugged a giant hole in the Cardinals bullpen when they were imploding every other night (Mitchell Boggs and Rosenthal couldn't handle it). In the end, Rosenthal is the most talented guy and after he straightened things out he took the closer's role. Wouldn't put too much emphasis on either Mujica's first couple months (he's not a closer) or last month (everyone hits rough patches occasionally). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Mariners To Sign Robinson CanoBy Steve Adams [December 6 at 9:57am CST] The Mariners and Robinson Cano are in agreement on a 10-year, $240MM contract, according to Enrique Rojas of ESPNDeportes.com (Spanish link). Reports from earlier today indicated that talks between Cano and the Mariners had crumbled after Jay-Z suddenly upped his demands back to $252MM when the Mariners were prepared to offer $225MM over nine years. The two sides appear to have reached a middle ground, with Cano's camp dropping by $12MM or so and the Mariners agreeing to add a tenth season at $15MM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Yep, it's official. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crime Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Wowzers. I need Jay-Z as my agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoshotthefrog Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 The Mariner will regret this deal in about 3 years. To much money for a guy who I think isn't a superstar. He's a great hitter, but he's not a guy who can carry a team's offense alone. Plus, I think Cano's numbers were somewhat inflated due to the guys surrounding him in the lineup and the Yankee's stadium. sjb2k1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemongoat Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Cano is absolutely a superstar. His positional value makes him one of the most valuable players in baseball. Of course, in 2022, who knows. I definitely assumed Cano was using Seattle to jack up the Yankees offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Yeah, for sure a superstar today. The only guys who I think I could say are hands-down better than Cano are Miggy and Trout. It would be a really tough argument between Cano and Kershaw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoshotthefrog Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 I think he's a star, but he's no superstar. A superstar to me is a guy who can literally carry a team on his back. I don't think Cano can. I think the guy is a phenomenal hitter, but he's not going to put up the same numbers in Seattle. Sure, he's the top 2b in baseball, but he certainly isn't worth that kind of money that he just signed for. Look at his career numbers. He's hit over 30 home runs once in his career, and he's topped 115 RBI's once. To me a superstar should be able to hit close to if not more than 40 home runs a year, drive in 120+ runs a year and/or at least hit over .333. Cano is not that type of guy. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/canoro01.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 By your definition of superstar, the only superstar in the game today is Miguel Cabrera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Which I guess is fine. "superstar" is relative. But I think there should always be a few superstars in the game at any point in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoshotthefrog Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 By your definition of superstar, the only superstar in the game today is Miguel Cabrera. Exactly. A contract similar to Ellsbury is what I think he should have gotten. It's not my money so I shouldn't be complaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travis Posted December 6, 2013 Author Share Posted December 6, 2013 Cano absolutely 100% a "superstar". No one single player can carry any team. Not even Miggy or Trout. Obviously this deal is insane and the Yankees are lucky they arent the one's paying it. I dont think this deal will go south as quickly as the Pujols deal which was almost exactly the same but it's a really bad deal for the Mariners to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Exactly. A contract similar to Ellsbury is what I think he should have gotten. It's not my money so I shouldn't be complaining. I think most people would agree with you in terms of years but not dollars/year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjb2k1 Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 good for him getting his money, i guess. have fun being near the bottom of the AL west and seeing a big stats drop, as safeco is not yankee stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 I think he's a star, but he's no superstar. A superstar to me is a guy who can literally carry a team on his back. I don't think Cano can. I think the guy is a phenomenal hitter, but he's not going to put up the same numbers in Seattle. Sure, he's the top 2b in baseball, but he certainly isn't worth that kind of money that he just signed for. Look at his career numbers. He's hit over 30 home runs once in his career, and he's topped 115 RBI's once. To me a superstar should be able to hit close to if not more than 40 home runs a year, drive in 120+ runs a year and/or at least hit over .333. Cano is not that type of guy. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/canoro01.shtml so a power hitter is the only way to be a superstar, gotcha. thats just idiotic justification, sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 i mean your numbers for "superstar" are literally JUST above Canos stats, did you go to his page, look at his numbers and then just arbitrarily pick numbers just above his to fit your standard for "superstar" status? so he doesnt hit 40 hrs, he hits 30+. so he doesnt get 120+ rbi's, he gets 100+. so he doesnt hit .333, he hits .310+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoshotthefrog Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 so a power hitter is the only way to be a superstar, gotcha. thats just idiotic justification, sorry. To me, the only guys in baseball who are superstars are Cabrera, Trout and Kershaw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crime Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 By your definition of superstar, the only superstar in the game today is Miguel Cabrera. If he took a team on his back he'd probably blow out one of his knees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoshotthefrog Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 i mean your numbers for "superstar" are literally JUST above Canos stats, did you go to his page, look at his numbers and then just arbitrarily pick numbers just above his to fit your standard for "superstar" status? so he doesnt hit 40 hrs, he hits 30+. so he doesnt get 120+ rbi's, he gets 100+. so he doesnt hit .333, he hits .310+. He's only hit over 30 home runs once so he's not even a consistent 30+ home run hitter as you say he is. He also has had 100+ RBI's three times in his career. Thats just 3 times in 9 full seasons. I'm not saying he isn't a great hitter, but he's not a guy that deserves to be paid like a superstar with a $200 million contract. If he consistently hit for 30+ hr with 110 rbi and .320 avg then I can understand the deal, but there are to many guys in the major with $100+ million deals that just don't deserve them. I'm done discussing this. Lets just agree to disagree, and argue about something else in baseball. Hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 To me, the only guys in baseball who are superstars are Cabrera, Trout and Kershaw. Pujols? Halladay? Votto? Wainwright? Felix Hernandez? Verlander? Cain? i mean, come on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 but trout with 2 seasons in the majors is a superstar, but Pujols isnt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 What a terrible trade for the Brewers, analytic sites are going to tear them up. actually surprised at the fangraph's write up on this trade! http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/brewers-land-will-smith-and-his-possible-breakthrough/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacredheart Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Pujols? Halladay? Votto? Wainwright? Felix Hernandez? Verlander? Cain? i mean, come on Pujols has declined three straight years to non superstar numbers each year, he is no longer a superstar. Halladay is far from a superstar anymore, hell, there is talk that he wont even get a sure fire major league deal. Votto and everyone else is for sure superstars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Itt: people still acting like cano is better than pedroia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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