kirbypuckett Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 So Carcillo taking that faceoff and attempting to injure Talbot wasn't being a goon? cbc never showed a replay of it. so to be honest i haven't seen it and have avoided commenting about it. i just think it's funny writers still equate the flyers to the broad street bullies when they are so so far from it. They might not be the Broad Street Bullies, but certain players give the Flyers a bad name, thus the comparisons continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 kirby, are you implying the pens didn't tank? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirbypuckett Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 kirby, are you implying the pens didn't tank? Are you recycling a tired joke that millions of morons have made over the years? Dude, you're intelligent, don't make those mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgoodcore Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Didn't they win Crosby in the raffle after the lock-out? And didn't the GM do a horrible job in Syd's first year when he brought in a bunch of old, tired vets that did nothing? Seems pretty cut and dry. I don't really remember the Pens before the lockout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drabley Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 The more I think about it, the more I think Brian Burke may just be able to make his way up to the #2 draft slot. Think about it. Tampa is a mess financially. That crazy free-agent spree Koules and Barry went on resulted in some pretty horrible contracts -- especially Ryan Malone's. Their defense would be hard pressed to keep pace with an OHL team, nevermind an NHL team. Not to mention that Brian Lawton isn't the most seasoned of GM's. Actually, the top 3 picks are held by inexperienced GM's -- definitely an advantage to a schiester like Burke. The Leafs have little in terms of roster assets, but have money to burn. They've saved tens of millions of dollars each year since the cap that thay normally would have spent and still been profitable. And they have a decent amount of cap space as well heading into free agency. That said, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Burke offered up a defenseman like Kubina (and agreed to chew some salary), their 7th pick, and a treasure chest of cash for Tampa's #2 and Ryan Malone. Then watch Burke throw money at Jay Bouwmeester and the Sedins. The offseason in Toronto is looking to be more exciting than the season itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgoodcore Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 If I was a GM I just wouldn't answer Burke's calls are emails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 when i mention the pens tanking i'm talking about 2001-lockout. they traded away any decent player they had for nothing, and rebuilt with first and 2nd overall picks, especially in a time where there was such great talent in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 i could very well see Bouwmeester with the leafs. hell maybe even gilroy from BC. JBO, Scheen, Gilroy? that is going to turn that team around in a heartbeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgoodcore Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 when i mention the pens tanking i'm talking about 2001-lockout.they traded away any decent player they had for nothing, and rebuilt with first and 2nd overall picks, especially in a time where there was such great talent in the draft. Sounds more like a decent plan than it does tanking, honestly. I would want my team to do that as opposed to eeking in the playoffs in the 7th or 8th seed with a bunch of veterans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirbypuckett Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 when i mention the pens tanking i'm talking about 2001-lockout.they traded away any decent player they had for nothing, and rebuilt with first and 2nd overall picks, especially in a time where there was such great talent in the draft. We traded away the likes of Jagr, Kovalev, etc... because we couldn't afford them. Hence the whole bankruptcy thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drabley Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 If I was a GM I just wouldn't answer Burke's calls are emails. I wouldn't either, but you've got to hand it to the guy -- he gets things done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgoodcore Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 If I was a GM I just wouldn't answer Burke's calls are emails. I wouldn't either, but you've got to hand it to the guy -- he gets things done. Saw it first hand, I live in Orange County as a Kings' fan. He's definitely entertaining. He just doesn't have many chips to play. Otherwise I'd think the Kings might be prone to trade down to his spot and give him something to work with in our 5th pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 there is a difference between a bad team playing hard and franchise giving up for half a decade. the pens did what they had to do, that's fine, and they are going to be a good team for the next long while, but the way they got there is questionable from a competitive standpoint. The thing that leaves a bad taste in my mouth is that bettman and others say that they are a model franchise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgoodcore Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 there is a difference between a bad team playing hard and franchise giving up for half a decade.the pens did what they had to do, that's fine, and they are going to be a good team for the next long while, but the way they got there is questionable from a competitive standpoint. The thing that leaves a bad taste in my mouth is that bettman and others say that they are a model franchise. Well Betteman is a bit of an idiot in a lot of regards and he's also a walking marketing firm. He learned well from Mr. Stern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirbypuckett Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 there is a difference between a bad team playing hard and franchise giving up for half a decade.the pens did what they had to do, that's fine, and they are going to be a good team for the next long while, but the way they got there is questionable from a competitive standpoint. The thing that leaves a bad taste in my mouth is that bettman and others say that they are a model franchise. Except Bettman never said that the Pens were a "model franchise" -- The article you posted basically said, "Hey Islanders, Maple Leafs, Phoenix, keep your heads up, you can do this." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drabley Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 What is a model franchise? I'd have to say Toronto, if I was either an owner or the league. How can a team that sells every home ticket (and quite a few away tickets too) for the past 50 years not be some sort of model? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirbypuckett Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 What is a model franchise?I'd have to say Toronto, if I was either an owner or the league. How can a team that sells every home ticket (and quite a few away tickets too) for the past 50 years not be some sort of model? I think you make a pretty valid point. There are many interpretations of being a model franchise. From a playing standpoint you can say Detroit and New Jersey. From a historic standpoint you could pick Montreal or any of the other original 6. The Maple Leafs for the reason above. The Pens, Blackhawks, Capitals, and the Kings for being young franchises on the up. Etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murakami Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 my view of a model franchise is a team that consistantly (at least) makes the playoffs and lifts the cup. NJ and DET. Maybe COL prior to this season. CGY is getting up there. a few others might be on the cusp from a revenue standpoint tho, you cant argue with the Leafs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 my view of a model franchise is a team that always makes money and puts a good product on the ice, or doesn't stay bad for long, and has a very loyal fanbase that was built up. which is why i mentioned who i mentioned. regardless some great games tonight: cbc is showing the montreal/b's game and the anahiem/sharks game. I can't wait for the late night action tonight. Is this the first all cali playoff series? I wish i could get the flames/hawks game on tv. i'd also like to see at least one BJ/wings game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drabley Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 I'm going to start a new "column" of sorts on this board. I'll make periodic additions to this, the inaugural installment. drabley's draft day diamonds (vol. 1) Tomas Kaberle Position: Defense Draft year: 1996 Round: 8 Overall: 204 Team: Toronto Maple Leafs Nikolai Khabibulin Position: Goaltender Draft year: 1992 Round 9 Overall: 204 Team: Winnipeg Jets Pavel Bure Position: Right Wing Draft Year: 1989 Round: 6 Overall: 113 Team: Vancouver Canucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgoodcore Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 my view of a model franchise is a team that always makes money and puts a good product on the ice, or doesn't stay bad for long, and has a very loyal fanbase that was built up. which is why i mentioned who i mentioned.regardless some great games tonight: cbc is showing the montreal/b's game and the anahiem/sharks game. I can't wait for the late night action tonight. Is this the first all cali playoff series? I wish i could get the flames/hawks game on tv. i'd also like to see at least one BJ/wings game. Fuck that. A model franchise wins Cups and keeps winning Cups. That alone will make sure everything else happens. Its a self-fulfilling prophecy: you win, people will come, you'll make gobs and gobs of money. Focus on winning and all your other issues take care of themself. I'm going to start a new "column" of sorts on this board. I'll make periodic additions to this, the inaugural installment. Three words: Robitaille, Datsyuk, and Zetterberg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 how can you talk about draft day diamonds without a mention of the red wings? zetterberg was in the 7th round, holmstrom was in the 10th round, Datsyuk was in the 6th round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 no biggie, forgot to read the next page before posting what i wrote, hah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 sammy - true cups are important. but philly hasn't won in 30+ years and i consider them a model, toronto hasn't won in 40+ years and i still consider them a model. when was the last times the habs won? 199x? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Didn't they win Crosby in the raffle after the lock-out? And didn't the GM do a horrible job in Syd's first year when he brought in a bunch of old, tired vets that did nothing? Seems pretty cut and dry. I don't really remember the Pens before the lockout. seriously, how many people really do remember the Pens pre-lockout that aren't from Pittsburgh or western PA? Probably not that many, those were the dark ages for the Pens franchise... I doubt Brad knows much of anything about the Pens or the team of players they had pre lockout outside of reading wikipedia. So to say they tanked to get crosby... yeah, okay. they tanked to get malkin, fluery, whitney, and even stall. crosby was gift wrapped to them. i remember the pens pre-lockout because i've always been a flyers fan. they were a joke for half a decade. that's all i'm saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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