thebiglebowski Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Then where is DiceK in your example? He got around 100 mil for his contract, then over 50 mil for his posting fee, yet no one ever has said that Dice K is one of the alltime top pitchers paid, not even before Verlander, Felix and Kershaw got their deals. The fact of the matter is that the posting doesnt count, no one counts it but you. You do realize teams spend other money besides salaries right? They dont include the cost of physical therapy, the new massage therapists, ice tanks, batting cages, etc etc that they buy for their players in their salary, They dont count the cost of ads promoting certain players into their salary. I consider Dice-K a 150 million dollar signing. He's still below Sabathia, which is as far as I have seen anyone go down the list when talking about where Tanaka fits in, which is why he wasn't discussed. The difference between your examples and mine (except arguably advertising) is that they are not directly attributable to a single player, and the discussions are about the biggest contracts for individual players (not the most expensive team facilities). If JV had a clause in his contract that said "the Tigers will spend $10 million marketing Justin Verlander over the life of the deal" then yes, I think that should be counted. If the Tigers decided to do it on their own, then no. If the player has a contract stipulation that an interpreter should be hired by the team, I think cost should be included in the total cost for the player's services. But the bottom line is that an ice tank here and a massage therapist there are just kind of inconsequential in the whole debate anyways. The salary dominates, the posting fee is significant, and the rest is small potatoes and not really even worth arguing about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 He's a major tool bag seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewberinger Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 done deal, 4 years, $52 mil pending physical. wow, im really shocked this happened. pretty excited about it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewberinger Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 The Garza signing makes all the more sense as to why the Brewers went out and signed Overbay/Reynolds to Minor league deals with MLB roster invites. I still think Morris or Jason Rogers is the future of 1B for the Brewers, I just dont think either will get a shot this year which is okay by me, Morris wasnt all that stellar in AAA last year and Rogers is still in AA/AAA. I really like Gennett, I think he's going to continue to surprise people this year with getting a majority of time at 2B in the majors also im pumped about KHRUSH DAVIS starting in LF ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paintedinexile Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Well, this sucks for Tanaka. Apparently after federal taxes, and New York's steep state and local taxes, Tanaka will only receive $68 million of his contract. http://o.dailycaller.com/all/2014-01-24-masashiro-tanaka-will-lose-over-half-his-contract-deal-to-taxes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoshotthefrog Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Well, this sucks for Tanaka. Apparently after federal taxes, and New York's steep state and local taxes, Tanaka will only receive $68 million of his contract. http://o.dailycaller.com/all/2014-01-24-masashiro-tanaka-will-lose-over-half-his-contract-deal-to-taxes You make it seem that after its all said and done that $68 million is a bad thing. He'll be making alot more than he could ever have imagined if he stayed in Japan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paintedinexile Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Wasn't saying it's a bad thing, but $155 million sounds a lot better than $68 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoshotthefrog Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Wasn't saying it's a bad thing, but $155 million sounds a lot better than $68 million. My bad. I didn't mean to come off as a dick with my post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Well, this sucks for Tanaka. Apparently after federal taxes, and New York's steep state and local taxes, Tanaka will only receive $68 million of his contract. http://o.dailycaller.com/all/2014-01-24-masashiro-tanaka-will-lose-over-half-his-contract-deal-to-taxes yeah, but thats no different than aroid, jeter, ellsbury or any player who chooses to sign a contract with the Yankees. sure, he could have gone to Miami and not paid any taxes, but he'd also never have a chance at winning anything significant outside of individual awards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Taxes are pretty complicated, especially for the super-rich. They hide behind tax shelters, play all kinds of games with the numbers, and never pay the full amount. I'd be more interested to know what Jeter actually pays than what Tanaka supposedly will pay. Tax rate on millionaires in the 1950 (when we were supposedly at war with communism) was 90%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maneatingcow Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Rumor Alert On a Brewers site I go to one of the posters has had an incredible track record of "inside info". The posters there completely trust this guy because he's proven himself to be reliable over a long period of time. Here is his comment about the Garza delay - I don't know how legit this is, but I was told this morning that the MRI revealed a partially torn labrum in his pitching shoulder. Garza has said it has no impact on his shoulder and he's perfectly healthy. I was told it might kill the deal and Jimenez would become the next target.Don't piledrive me - but the person who told me said he source is quite solid. Take it for what it's worth. Take it with a grain of salt, but I've learned to, within reason, believe this guy. Here's a direct link to the post. http://forum.brewerfan.net/viewtopic.php?p=875266#p875266 I'd definitely hate to give up a 1st round pick for Jimmenez but we're a long way from having to think about that. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 on the following page from the guy who broke the story yesterday about the signing: The only other thing I could think of was that it then had something to do with the contract language so I reached out to a source who confirmed that it was at least part of the situation if it wasn’t all of the snag.The issue, according to a source, is that the Brewers and Garza are haggling over the distribution of the contract. In other words, how much is paid in which seasons.They agree on the length and overall value (which they met in the middle on, I’m also told, as the Brewers originally hoped to pay 4yr/$48MM and Garza wanted 4yr/$56MM), but they haven’t yet come to an accord on how the money will be paid out.Garza is asking for a mostly even average value (which precisely would be $13 million per year) and the Brewers are looking to backload the deal somewhat in order to pay more of it when it’s more affordable. That of course being when the contracts of highly-compensated players like Rickie Weeks and Aramis Ramirez should be off the books.This hang up in negotiations was described to me as “overcome-able” but deals have also fallen apart over less so nothing is official until the contract is formally announced http://brewernation.mlblogs.com/2014/01 ... -contract/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 dice-k is staying a met Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maneatingcow Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 I definitely hope that the issue is distribution related instead of an issue relating to health. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 that forum has been around for quiet some time, most of the posters are old and well connected, its really kind of awesome to read what they post. the minor league forum is probably my favorite part of the whole site. just amazing what haas does, incredible dedication Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradedOnACurve Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Taxes are pretty complicated, especially for the super-rich. They hide behind tax shelters, play all kinds of games with the numbers, and never pay the full amount. I'd be more interested to know what Jeter actually pays than what Tanaka supposedly will pay. Tax rate on millionaires in the 1950 (when we were supposedly at war with communism) was 90%. This. dice-k is staying a met Meh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 I do a fantasy league with a 3 year keeper cycle. Definitely talked about it a lot. We are starting fresh this year. Next year we keep 4, then 6, then throw them all back. We pull the draft order in a week. Had someone offer me this deal -- if I get the number 1 pick (almost everyone gonna grab trout without thinking), he switches picks with me. However, if he gets picks 2,3,4, I have the option to take his draft pick if I choose. Would you do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 so if he gets the 8th pick and you're 1st overall you automatically switch, but if he's got one from the 2nd - 4th rd, its not automatic? I take it you dont want to draft trout? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 The only reason I phrased it that way is that there is the possibility I get 2 and he gets 4, in which case he would be 2-4 but the switch would not be automatic. If I get 1, it's automatic. If he gets 2-4 and I am lower than him, it's automatic. If both of us our outside top 4, nothing happens. I'd take trout without thinking at 1. In head to head is a little different but this is 5x5 roto -- he dominates. It's just a different way to play things -- my chances of getting trout go from 1/14 to 0/14 but my odds of getting picks 2-4 go from 3/14 to 6/14. Better chance at guys like cabby, mccutchen, and goldschmidt. Maybe Braun, depending on how he looks and the reports are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Garza is officially a brewer for 4 years, if there was still any uncertainty out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 4/50 mil, 5th year vesting option based on starts, largest FA contract in brewers history Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewberinger Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 aiming for that #2 Wild Card spot! haha NL Central is such a stupid good division - hope the Reds or Pie Rats fall off this year. Cardinals will never be bad ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maneatingcow Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Just wish the Brewers could start improving on their Minor League System. Don't get me wrong the Brewers have developed some solid players over the last few years and the have a couple of nice pospects in the system but as a mid market team you need to have the pipeline of high end talent. Moves like the Garza signing can keep you competitive but drafting smart is how you build a contender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Just wish the Brewers could start improving on their Minor League System. Don't get me wrong the Brewers have developed some solid players over the last few years and the have a couple of nice pospects in the system but as a mid market team you need to have the pipeline of high end talent. Moves like the Garza signing can keep you competitive but drafting smart is how you build a contender. Oh thwy are, i think there are some really gpod players in a/aa this year rhat they just drafted the last two years, minors take time to rebuild, they unloaded most talent to get CC, Greinke and Marcum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catalinacaper Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Oh thwy are, i think there are some really gpod players in a/aa this year rhat they just drafted the last two years, minors take time to rebuild, they unloaded most talent to get CC, Greinke and Marcum My hometown hosts an A level affiliate of the Brewers minor league system (Brevard Manatees). A couple months ago I was invited to one of those fancy press-box seats and I was going through their literature. It's crazy how many really great players have played at that stadium at one point or another and gone on to play in the big league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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