Hitler/Beatles Weirdness

[mcm1610]

Historians are also severely jealous and critical, too. If someone writes a book that is even thought to be lazily researched or full of mistakes, it gets TORN APART. This again hints that if the Holocaust is fabricated, why was there no academic dissent originally when these books started popping up after the war?

Two well-known examples are Stephen Ambrose and Howard Zinn who were both blasted by some upon their death.

[sewbr0]

[lonesomexloveus]

okay my bad maybe I didn't see that part but Bayer did experiments on those concentration camp victims. If you inject diseases into people and try to cure them with untested drugs against their will, how on earth do you not expect some of them if not most to die? That's just one aspect

Not to divert discussion, but this has always been an ethical debate I've had with myself. A shit-ton of relevant, groundbreaking discoveries on the human body were uncovered in these tests. I'm extremely far from defending the tests, but on a much less extreme level, how do you test stuff like this? Is the potential death of one person in testing worth saving the lives of multiple others who will most likely parish without some test done?

prisons? commit a heinous enough crime, be subjected to medical testing. in order for medicine to advance and benefit humanity as a whole, these tests have to be done. at least i'd feel a little better about testing on despicable human beings.

[drabley]

I will not be happy until this thread hits double digits in page count.

[Guest staropramen]

Ok, I'll appreciate that and take your word for it.

I would like to point out a contradiction in your logic, unless I've misread it.

You say that the Western World is supportive of the Jews and by extension Israel. You've said Hitler was a defender of the Jews at times and wanted to also give them their own land in order to get them out of Germany. If the leaders of the US and UK and whoever else shared common hopes for the Jews, why would the Allies want Hitler dead and then paint him as this false evil? It just doesn't connect.

Because ultimately it was the most powerful international Jewish bankers that had to see Third Reich Germany destroyed. If Nazi Germany stood as a model for the white Christian world then the antichrist Jews plans for world domination would be thwarted. The Jews are not content with their own little country. They must control everything and everyone and destroying the white race is paramount to them. This struggle really is rooted in the bible. The white race is the true hebrews of scripture. The Jews are a mongrelised race tracing lineage back to the Cannanites, Edomites, the Khazars, etc. Judaism has no connection to the OT, the Talmud is a perversion of the OT mixed with paganism. Hitler implemented Luther's program layed out in On The Jews and Their Lies [1543]. On Hitler's Christianity;

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited".

-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922

"It will at any rate be my supreme task to see to it that in the newly awakened NSDAP, the adherents of both Confessions can live peacefully together side by side in order that they may take their stand in the common fight against the power which is the mortal foe of any true Christianity".

-Adolf Hitler, in an article headed "A New Beginning," 26 Feb. 1925

"We are a people of different faiths, but we are one. Which faith conquers the other is not the question; rather, the question is whether Christianity stands or falls.... We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity... in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people".

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Passau, 27 October 1928, Bundesarchiv Berlin-Zehlendorf

"National Socialism neither opposes the Church nor is it anti-religious, but on the contrary it stands on the ground of a real Christianity.... For their interests cannot fail to coincide with ours alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of to-day, in our fight against a Bolshevist culture, against atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for a consciousness of a community in our national life... These are not anti-Christian, these are Christian principles! And I believe that if we should fail to follow these principles then we should to be able to point to our successes, for the result of our political battle is surely not unblest by God".

-Adolf Hitler, in his speech at Koblenz, to the Germans of the Saar, 26 Aug. 1934

"National Socialism is not a cult-movement-- a movement for worship; it is exclusively a 'volkic' political doctrine based upon racial principles. In its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the care and leadership of a people defined by a common blood-relationship.... We will not allow mystically-minded occult folk with a passion for exploring the secrets of the world beyond to steal into our Movement. Such folk are not National Socialists, but something else-- in any case something which has nothing to do with us. At the head of our programme there stand no secret surmisings but clear-cut perception and straightforward profession of belief. But since we set as the central point of this perception and of this profession of belief the maintenance and hence the security for the future of a being formed by God, we thus serve the maintenance of a divine work and fulfill a divine will-- not in the secret twilight of a new house of worship, but openly before the face of the Lord.... Our worship is exclusively the cultivation of the natural, and for that reason, because natural, therefore God-willed. Our humility is the unconditional submission before the divine laws of existence so far as they are known to us men".

-Adolf Hitler, in Nuremberg on 6 Sept. 1938.

Hitler I believe was sent by God to give the white race a chance to throw off the shackles that the Jews have us bound by. Charles Lindberg, Henry Ford, they understood the Jews, what their seizing of our Federal Reserve bank meant. Did anyone listen? Ultimately that Jew Roosevelt, that drunken Jew shill Churchill [google Churchill The Focus] and that bolshevik scumbag Stalin sold out all these white nations, got us to kill each other to further empower the Jews over all of us. We should have worked with Hitler to deal with the Jews once and for all. Every race would have their own living space free from the multicultural communistic hellholes that the Jews have foisted upon all white nations. You think the Jews backed and directed the civils rights movement out of love for blacks? Hell no, thy saw it as an opportunity to better their own position. Whites were hip to the history of the Jews but the black slavery thing was a golden opportunity for the Jews to launch a full fledged assault on white America's misguided sense of benevolence, hammer that white guilt message via radio, newspapers, television, movies, etc.

We're all Palestinians now.

But it ain't over yet!

[lonesomexloveus]

i'm trying to do my part.

[travis]

This is stupid

[basketcasey]

Not to divert discussion, but this has always been an ethical debate I've had with myself. A shit-ton of relevant, groundbreaking discoveries on the human body were uncovered in these tests. I'm extremely far from defending the tests, but on a much less extreme level, how do you test stuff like this? Is the potential death of one person in testing worth saving the lives of multiple others who will most likely parish without some test done?

prisons? commit a heinous enough crime, be subjected to medical testing. in order for medicine to advance and benefit humanity as a whole, these tests have to be done. at least i'd feel a little better about testing on despicable human beings.

It's kind of a trip how much ignorance is stuffed into one person here. Jesus.

[lonesomexloveus]

prisons? commit a heinous enough crime, be subjected to medical testing. in order for medicine to advance and benefit humanity as a whole, these tests have to be done. at least i'd feel a little better about testing on despicable human beings.

It's kind of a trip how much ignorance is stuffed into one person here. Jesus.

...are you referring to me?

[basketcasey]

Yes.

[xxmartinxx]

Wow Staropramen... that sounds like a book report of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

[lonesomexloveus]

Yes.

lolololololol. i cannot believe that out of all the assinine and misguided crap in this thread, you chose something i said to make that comment about.

you're funny.

[lonesomexloveus]

also, please expound upon why i am so utterly lacking in intelligence.

[dynamitekid]

I hereby nominate this for the vc hall of fame

[AlexH.]

I deal with common sense and facts, not hysterics.

FACT:

I'm sure if you dig deep in the Talmud you'll find some mystical mathematical equation for it but in the real world we should know better than that.

FACT:

Communists were sent to camps and most Jews were Communists. They invented the damn ideology for pete's sake! Hey, I'm a Christian and I would have no problem putting most people who call themselves "christian" in these type of camps today for promoting genocide against whites by encouraging race mixing and slavery to the antichrist Synagogue of Satan Jews by promoting the lie that Jesus was a Jew which he was not.

FACT:

The Jews want to make sure that white Christians never, ever get any ideas about Hitler other than the ones that they themselves manufacture. A right understanding of Hitler puts the Jews out of business and they can't have that.

FACT:

The holocaust myth is in the bible

FACT:

ultimately it was the most powerful international Jewish bankers that had to see Third Reich Germany destroyed. If Nazi Germany stood as a model for the white Christian world then the antichrist Jews plans for world domination would be thwarted. The Jews are not content with their own little country. They must control everything and everyone and destroying the white race is paramount to them.

FACT:

Stop it. You must be a Jew. The formal education question gives you away.

FACT:

most Jews don't like to do physical work, it's not too hard to figure out why they would be so angry about being forced to do some for a change that they would make up BS like genocide stories.

Nope, no hysterics here. Never leave, Mr. Ramen. You are toooo funny.

[basketcasey]

The nazi guy is obviously disgusting and everyone knows it, he's not ignorant, he's just a straight up piece of shit. You, however, apparently think that people in prison should be subjected to medical tests without their consent and that they're all "despicable people," which proves that you know absolutely nothing about prison and law enforcement in general. That is ignorance.

[mcm1610]

I can't remember the title of the book, (I don't think it is "How the Irish Became White" but it might be... I want to say it's something else, like "Becoming White" but I can't find it) but I want to point out that for the majority of history, Germany was not "white". They, along with most Europeans, were too pale and not the ideal skin color. Around the time of the bible, the ideal skin color was that of the people surrounding the Mediterranean Sea, which includes the people of the Middle East, North Africa, Sicily, most of Italy, most of Greece. German people were the last of Europe to be "civilized" in the common usage of the word (though I disagree with your average person that they and other "uncivilized" peoples lacked civilization). To try and argue that they, Germans, are "true" white people of the white race is asinine. They made it into to the club slightly before the Irish and only when the UK was the center of the economic world did the Middle Eastern people get booted out.

Actually, that spawned the title, here's the book: http://www.amazon.com/History-White-People-Irvin-Painter/dp/0393049345

I'd also like to point out that it's well-noted that Roosevelt was in no real rush to save any Jews (for various reasons). The immigration quotas were extremely strictly held during WWII when the flood of Jewish refugees came to this country. How you could call him a Jew is mind-boggling.

[mcm1610]

The nazi guy is obviously disgusting and everyone knows it, he's not ignorant, he's just a straight up piece of shit. You, however, apparently think that people in prison should be subjected to medical tests without their consent and that they're all "despicable people," which proves that you know absolutely nothing about prison and law enforcement in general. That is ignorance.

She prefaced it with "heinous enough crime", so it's not like she's implying that your poor black person who is dealing drugs, piled on by a racist system, is going to be subjected to tests.

[lonesomexloveus]

The nazi guy is obviously disgusting and everyone knows it, he's not ignorant, he's just a straight up piece of shit. You, however, apparently think that people in prison should be subjected to medical tests without their consent and that they're all "despicable people," which proves that you know absolutely nothing about prison and law enforcement in general. That is ignorance.

haha, oh. ok. it's cool to put words in my mouth.

i merely offered that as the only suggestion that i could think of to the question at hand(hence the question mark in my original post). i didn't say it was right or wrong, or if it should occur. there is no logical or good answer to the question of medical testing, but it is almost a necessary evil in order for medicine to advance for the greater good. i do believe that some people in prison are despicable. mass murderers, rapists, etc. i didn't say everyone was. also, i never claimed to be a prison or law enforcement expert, so get off your high horse, lady.

sorry if your dad/boyfriend/you were in jail at some point and you're offended by my 'despicable' comment.

[basketcasey]

That racist system effects the prosecution of every crime though, even those "heinous enough" ones (I don't think that a minority who actually murdered someone should get a free pass, obviously, but minorities go to jail more than white people across the board and that's not being addressed.) It's not even about that though, her post was ridiculously simplistic and the fact that she wants to continue that kind of medical testing is pretty lulz. I wasn't expecting anything different from someone who thinks affirmative action is racist though.

EDIT: Are you fucking kidding me? I have to know someone in prison to care about the bullshit system that supports it? You don't have to have a law degree to notice these things.

[Guest staropramen]

how did we gloss over this gem?

"the musical accomplishments of our people, the white race"

"white music" is extremely limited in scope, and appeal when it really comes down to it.. especially "strictly" white music. Off the bat anything rock or blues based is taken off the table... thats based on black music.... and then you can scratch gospel, motown, r&b, ska, reggae, rocksteady, zydeco, and jazz as well.

Country is somewhat sketchy.. because most of that is either rock, gospel, or blues based.... and new country borrows liberally from R&B.

so you're pretty much looking at regionalized folk music (such as polkas, irish folk etc), classical compositions, baroque chamber music, etc.... and the white power folks would probably look down on alot of that due to Irish/moorish/gypsy influences on some of it.

shit man... when it really comes down to it.. if a black man didn't influence it, its probably going to suck.

You're an idiot. The black slaves brought nothing more than primative rhythms and grunting with them to America. The blues is just a retarded persons interpretation of the rural folk and older European music that existed here long before blacks came here. "Oh yeah, look at that negro screw up that note, Moishe!" "Vat do you mean Mordechai, this negro is a genius, that's a blue note, not a screw up, oy vey!" The first jazz record was by an Italian guy named LaRocca. Blacks have certainly made some contributions along the way but let's not get carried away. The white musical influence throughout the last century is undeniable. All throughout the Bible the music of the white Israelites was rhythm based. The Catholics screwed that up around the year 500 though. The Jews, having stole our biblical identity also stole our musical concepts. Klezmer is the Jewish perversion of our biblical musical concepts which later influenced negro jazz. Metallica owes far more to Beethoven then some negroes. What does Genesis or King Crimson owe to negroes? They owe alot more to Wagner.

[xxmartinxx]

That racist system effects the prosecution of every crime though, even those "heinous enough" ones (I don't think that a minority who actually murdered someone should get a free pass, obviously, but minorities go to jail more across the board and that's not being addressed.) It's not even about that though, her post was ridiculously simplistic and the fact that she wants to continue that kind of medical testing is pretty lulz. I wasn't expecting anything different from someone who thinks affirmative action is racist though.

So what's if we only did testing on Caucasian rapists and child molesters? I'm okay with that.

[mcm1610]

A very close family friend is a retired Captain from Attica Prison, and via his stories, your average prisoner from that facility very readily becomes a pretty despicable person. It's gross how often they throw shit at people. Literal shit.

This is just a random interjection, it's not meant to make any point in that mini-discussion.

[mcm1610]

That racist system effects the prosecution of every crime though, even those "heinous enough" ones (I don't think that a minority who actually murdered someone should get a free pass, obviously, but minorities go to jail more across the board and that's not being addressed.) It's not even about that though, her post was ridiculously simplistic and the fact that she wants to continue that kind of medical testing is pretty lulz. I wasn't expecting anything different from someone who thinks affirmative action is racist though.

EDIT: Are you fucking kidding me? I have to know someone in prison to care about the bullshit system that supports it? You don't have to have a law degree to notice these things.

Most of your famous serial killers are white, and that's who popped into my mind first.

[Guest staropramen]

That's it for me today folks. See y'all soon!