idreamofpunk Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 if you can't handle smoke for a few hours you probably shouldn't go. No. Why am I supposed to lock myself away in my apartment because other people wish to affect the health of those around them? That's completely ass-backwards. I need to alter MY behavior because someone else wants to do something that is utterly repulsive and vile and over time will kill them and those around them? Fuck that. Proud whiner who prefers to not inhale poison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pibbals Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Do you drive a car? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idreamofpunk Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 What, fumes? Does my exhaust pipe blow it's fumes directly into your face? What are you getting at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kriss Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4m35 Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 i smoke and i don't even know why you would want to smoke anywhere indoors. it's not even that i give a shit about other people inhaling second hand smoke. i am a big fan of 21+ reentry, get some fresh air and smoke then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradedOnACurve Posted November 2, 2011 Author Share Posted November 2, 2011 i smoke and i don't even know why you would want to smoke anywhere indoors. it's not even that i give a shit about other people inhaling second hand smoke. i am a big fan of 21+ reentry, get some fresh air and smoke then. This. I didn't create the thread to whine. Created the thread to just gauge if other people feel the same way I do. People shouldn't have to get physically sick when they go to shows. Its not just a fact of life either. I feel like its also contributing factor to this "Fest AIDS" business. By the way car fumes while harmful are spread outdoors. I think people who smoke should go relax and do it outside. Its not too much to ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idreamofpunk Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 But you're oppressing people! How dare you make them take their actions that are harmful to other people's health outside where it can be less so!? : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4m35 Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 i mean, i think everyone should go outside in between bands at shows. not just smokers. why you would want to be in an enclosed space with a shitload of sweaty people for more than you absolutely have to is beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somethingvinyl Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 And another thing: it should be up to an establishment's proprietor to decide whether he/she wants to allow smoking or not. It should not be up to the state to mandate something that people are legally and freely allow to choose. Then, people can decide what business they want to patronize. If enough non-smokers decide to not go to a club/bar/venue, perhaps it will change the establishments policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pibbals Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 I've never seen a smoker blow smoke directly into your face, in fact, I see most smokers blow their smoke either up or down. I really have no idea what this "in your face" business is. I don't even smoke and I think this is being blown way out of proportion. Wear a respirator if you're that picky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
controlthebleeding Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 if you can't handle smoke for a few hours you probably shouldn't go. No. Why am I supposed to lock myself away in my apartment because other people wish to affect the health of those around them? That's completely ass-backwards. I need to alter MY behavior because someone else wants to do something that is utterly repulsive and vile and over time will kill them and those around them? Fuck that. Proud whiner who prefers to not inhale poison. you shouldn't have to lock yourself away, just as someone who prefers to smoke indoors where it's ok to do so shouldn't have to walk outside to smoke. if someone is smoking in a place where it's perfectly ok to smoke indoors, then you have no say in the matter. you can either deal with it or not go to said club/bar. you can have your opinions about it but it's not gonna make a difference depending on the law. and this is coming from someone who prefers non-smoking clubs. your also making assumptions about killing themselves or others smoking. not everyone who smokes or is around smoke dies from it. just like people who drink a lot don't always die from it. it's all genetics when it comes down to it. it's never absolute. you can smoke till your 98 and without any hint of breathing problems or you can be 24 with lung cancer and never smoked a cigarette in your life. its all in the cards you're dealt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradedOnACurve Posted November 2, 2011 Author Share Posted November 2, 2011 I've never seen a smoker blow smoke directly into your face, in fact, I see most smokers blow their smoke either up or down. I really have no idea what this "in your face" business is.I don't even smoke and I think this is being blown way out of proportion. Wear a respirator if you're that picky. I don't think anyone is saying a smoker will stand in someone's face and blow smoke. However in a crowded venue and even outside on line for a show people smoke inadvertently gets in me and my wife's face. No one said it's intentional, but it happens all the time. It's not about being picky. your also making assumptions about killing themselves or others smoking. not everyone who smokes or is around smoke dies from it. just like people who drink a lot don't always die from it. it's all genetics when it comes down to it. it's never absolute. you can smoke till your 98 and without any hint of breathing problems or you can be 24 with lung cancer and never smoked a cigarette in your life. its all in the cards you're dealt. It's medically proven a smoker is most likely going to get lung cancer and/or live a shorter life. Just like drinking kills your liver and eating like shit leads to a multitude of health issues. Sure it doesn't happen to everyone but most people are negatively affected by these poor choices. Let's not dispute the obvious people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idreamofpunk Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Fine, whatever. I'm done here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pibbals Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 If you get that fired up about smoking in a venue, I hate to see how you react to other things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
controlthebleeding Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 I've never seen a smoker blow smoke directly into your face, in fact, I see most smokers blow their smoke either up or down. I really have no idea what this "in your face" business is.I don't even smoke and I think this is being blown way out of proportion. Wear a respirator if you're that picky. I don't think anyone is saying a smoker will stand in someone's face and blow smoke. However in a crowded venue and even outside on line for a show people smoke inadvertently gets in me and my wife's face. No one said it's intentional, but it happens all the time. It's not about being picky. your also making assumptions about killing themselves or others smoking. not everyone who smokes or is around smoke dies from it. just like people who drink a lot don't always die from it. it's all genetics when it comes down to it. it's never absolute. you can smoke till your 98 and without any hint of breathing problems or you can be 24 with lung cancer and never smoked a cigarette in your life. its all in the cards you're dealt. It's medically proven a smoker is most likely going to get lung cancer and/or live a shorter life. Just like drinking kills your liver and eating like shit leads to a multitude of health issues. Sure it doesn't happen to everyone but most people are negatively affected by these poor choices. Let's not dispute the obvious people. did you know blowing smoke in a persons face means you want to have sex? well if it's the opposite sex at least.. the key word is most likely. of course there is risk. and it's probable, but its not absolute. that's all i was trying to say. if you say something will lead to death you're assuming . if you say "something may lead to death, thats a probability. just going on words here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradedOnACurve Posted November 2, 2011 Author Share Posted November 2, 2011 I don't think anyone is saying a smoker will stand in someone's face and blow smoke. However in a crowded venue and even outside on line for a show people smoke inadvertently gets in me and my wife's face. No one said it's intentional, but it happens all the time. It's not about being picky. It's medically proven a smoker is most likely going to get lung cancer and/or live a shorter life. Just like drinking kills your liver and eating like shit leads to a multitude of health issues. Sure it doesn't happen to everyone but most people are negatively affected by these poor choices. Let's not dispute the obvious people. did you know blowing smoke in a persons face means you want to have sex? well if it's the opposite sex at least.. the key word is most likely. of course there is risk. and it's probable, but its not absolute. that's all i was trying to say. if you say something will lead to death you're assuming . if you say "something may lead to death, thats a probability. just going on words here. Hey man if smoke in my face means sex I've been missing out! Why didn't you tell me? Nah I know what you're saying man. People survive a car flipping at 120 mph so you're right its not always absolute. Don't worry I wasn't getting all twisted about what you said. I am saying I like the way it is in NYC. People hardly complain about the ban. I don't like smoke though, that I'm firm about. It's the only thing I appreciate from Mayor Bloomturd See was can haz civil conversation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
controlthebleeding Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 yeah, people were pissed about the ban in austin, but we all learned to accept it. i kinda like it personally, as long as i have a place to go outside and smoke im totally cool not smoking in a club. no biggie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokithelion Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 I really only smoke when I'm drinking now, but even this weekend I went outside pretty much every time. And I was gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hudsoncomplex Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 I live in Ontario Canada and the government banned smoking indoors about 10 years ago. Even when I did smoke, and we could smoke inside, I usually preferred to go outside. I can't say I miss the mornings after a show/going out to a bar when you take a shower and all you can smell is the smoke washing out of your hair and off of your skin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonesomexloveus Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 smoking is the biggest turn-off. well, one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 smoking just shouldnt be legal indoors anywhere. period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokithelion Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 smoking just shouldnt be legal indoors anywhere. period. Bar owners should have the right to choose, and you have the right to choose with your voting dollars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamlikesmusic Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 smoking is the biggest turn-off. 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadreckoning Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 yankees ha. Even though Florida is where most people from Jew Jersey *[edit] go to die, it's still the south. Whiney yankees probably want thorough car inspections or an effective department of child services too. Be sure to take a bag of oranges for the trip back to Canuckistan, comrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajxd Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 I work in biomedical research. Specifically studying the affects of cigarette smoke on lung tissue (cancer, COPD). I can tell you dudes that smoking will be banned indoors across the country sooner than you think. We know second hand smoke is bad, but now we know that one cigarette starts the chain reactions of lung degradation. It's real scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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