yocaseycasey Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 I've thought about this a lot recently, Kriss, and I think that the "record market" attracts two completely different groups: fans of a band, and then record collectors. I think most of the records that go for tons of money on ebay are purchased by fans of a band as opposed to record collectors, because I feel that most record collectors (or at least myself) would be like "Hell no I won't pay that much." Does this make sense? I'm curious as to what others might think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beta114 Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 pogggggggggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kriss Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 I can see that logic. I don't see the logic of the rarity of something driving it up to a ridiculous amount - particularly in cases where a person lucked out and found it on the cheap and then turned around and flipped it for four times as much or more within days. I won't lie, I've been tempted to get into flipping because there are great shops around here that sell stuff way cheaper than they should (found a copy of the Fly In The Ointment 7" by AFI for $30 and considered flipping it since the pressing it is goes for $75+ on the regular but bought it and kept it for myself instead because I just love earlier AFI) but in a way, I feel like I'm cheating a person who IS passionate about a particular record out of being able to find a rad score if I buy it (and don't care about the record at that!) simply to derive a profit from it. It's not wrong per se to do this and I'm not pointing fingers at anyone in particular who does it, but I do find myself questioning whether folks are in it for the right intentions if the lion's share of their record consumption is based off of the premise of reselling. Granted, a person's intentions can be any number of things but because I like my music on the vinyl format and NOT because of the bragging rights or 'value' it has monetarily, I tend to lean towards the more altruistic end of thinking that wanting the music for the sake of hearing is the right intention versus buying it only to mark it up and sell it to someone else is the wrong one. I'm admittedly naive in that I think people should be able to find the music they enjoy on the format they want and so long as it's within reason (i.e. only been out of print over the last several years) should get it at a fair price and not have to pay a small fortune for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cactusbot Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Tooth & Nail is about to press a back catalog record a lot of people will be excited for. I'm pretty stoked for it, bummed I'm not doing it though. Short band name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmoney Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Tooth & Nail is about to press a back catalog record a lot of people will be excited for. I'm pretty stoked for it, bummed I'm not doing it though.Short band name. Nice. My wife will be stoked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beta114 Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Tooth & Nail is about to press a back catalog record a lot of people will be excited for. I'm pretty stoked for it, bummed I'm not doing it though.Short band name. deets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmoney Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Tooth & Nail is about to press a back catalog record a lot of people will be excited for. I'm pretty stoked for it, bummed I'm not doing it though.Short band name. Wish you had said Japanese band name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaugzilla Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Ughhhh. Dammit. Thread brought my hopes up so much. T&N has to know that people want this re-pressed, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaugzilla Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Tooth & Nail is about to press a back catalog record a lot of people will be excited for. I'm pretty stoked for it, bummed I'm not doing it though.Short band name. I was thinking Mae, but I'm really not sure who all would be excited for The Everglow or Destination to be pressed on vinyl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yocaseycasey Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 I would be 100% stoked about the Everglow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ac3ebemo Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Tooth & Nail is about to press a back catalog record a lot of people will be excited for. I'm pretty stoked for it, bummed I'm not doing it though.Short band name. I was thinking Mae, but I'm really not sure who all would be excited for The Everglow or Destination to be pressed on vinyl. Mae was my first guess too. I'd buy either of the first two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kriss Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Tooth & Nail is about to press a back catalog record a lot of people will be excited for. I'm pretty stoked for it, bummed I'm not doing it though.Short band name. I was thinking Mae, but I'm really not sure who all would be excited for The Everglow or Destination to be pressed on vinyl. Mae never appealed to me so this is a pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummerboy032 Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Tooth & Nail is about to press a back catalog record a lot of people will be excited for. I'm pretty stoked for it, bummed I'm not doing it though.Short band name. Mae would be amazing. I'd be super stoked if its the everglow, but will buy any mae if it happens! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshnotgood Posted December 13, 2011 Author Share Posted December 13, 2011 Glad I got this and it was a good price but they should have listed them as having sleeve damage. Got it today with all four corners dented in, a partially crushed spine and a quarter inch cut into the spine. I mean full disclosure, right? Looks like a cut made by someone on purpose. I've seen this on CD cases before too. Not sure why a label would do this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmhmm Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Bummer. I still ordered Anberlin and Demon Hunter..sweet deals. Amazing that Cities is still available. I'm guessing T&N kept back several hundred to sell themselves instead of getting them all out for RSD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kjm23 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Yep, that auction is mine. Since it was a promo copy I figured I would sell this one and try and find a clean copy. Call it being a Flipper or whatever but it's not like I bought 10 copies of this to sell, just bought the one. And I would love to see some of Mae's stuff be put on vinyl. Would definitely buy (1) copy of each. Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cactusbot Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 It's for RSD. Keep it hush hush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llamason56 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 i'll say mae's the everglow or destination: beautiful i'm gonna lean towards the everglow since that's my favorite of theirs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diabretic Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 I'd buy either of the first two mae records in a fucking heartbeat. I have my fingers crossed for the Everglow though. Matte jackets, full size booklet insert with the original artwork inside. boner inducing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llamason56 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 yes that would be sick. i always thought the reissue art (the photograph similar to the original) looked dumb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somethingvinyl Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Yep, that auction is mine. Since it was a promo copy I figured I would sell this one and try and find a clean copy. Call it being a Flipper or whatever but it's not like I bought 10 copies of this to sell, just bought the one.And I would love to see some of Mae's stuff be put on vinyl. Would definitely buy (1) copy of each. Brian You're a flipper because you started the auction at $59 and a buy it now for $100. I don't give a shit what you do but it's annoying to read you justifying it by saying "it's not like I bought 10 copies." You're just a fucking flipper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kjm23 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Yep, that auction is mine. Since it was a promo copy I figured I would sell this one and try and find a clean copy. Call it being a Flipper or whatever but it's not like I bought 10 copies of this to sell, just bought the one.And I would love to see some of Mae's stuff be put on vinyl. Would definitely buy (1) copy of each. Brian You're a flipper because you started the auction at $59 and a buy it now for $100. I don't give a shit what you do but it's annoying to read you justifying it by saying "it's not like I bought 10 copies." You're just a fucking flipper. So if I would have started the auction at $9.99 that wouldn't have been flipping? That logic makes no sense. I really don't care if anyone thinks I am a flipper or not, I started the record at the lowest price I would sell it for, if I don't get it it will go back in the collection, which is fine by me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somethingvinyl Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Records go for ridiculous amounts on eBay, sometimes low, sometimes high. If you really weren't flipping, you would have started it at what you paid just to get your money back. That at least allows for the chance at it being reasonable, which you have eliminated by setting it that high. The fact that you started it at "the lowest price I would sell it for" when you just bought it is the definition of flipping. I've flipped records before. Doesn't make you a scumbag. Just don't be disingenuous about it. Then you're a gigantic dickhead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llamason56 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 That's why eBay puts a reserve option. Start the bidding at 9.99 with a reserve of the lowest price you'd take and let people bid. Not starting the bidding at the lowest you'd take for something you spent for fraction of what you're going to charge someone. You're selling it strictly to make a profit and that's flipping and that's what pisses a lot of people off. I understand you bought it expecting a new copy and not a promo and that's probably why you're selling it. But that starting bid price is way too high for a promo which is why T&N sold it on the cheap. Gotta let people bid things up for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llamason56 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Records go for ridiculous amounts on eBay, sometimes low, sometimes high. If you really weren't flipping, you would have started it at what you paid just to get your money back. That at least allows for the chance at it being reasonable, which you have eliminated by setting it that high. The fact that you started it at "the lowest price I would sell it for" when you just bought it is the definition of flipping.I've flipped records before. Doesn't make you a scumbag. Just don't be disingenuous about it. Then you're a gigantic dickhead. Well said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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