Number11 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Has there been any news about the U-Turn being available outside the US? I'm looking to buy a cheap second turntable. I'm pretty much looking for anything that isn't gonna destroy my records. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snp304 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 alright guys and girls. I have read this whole thread and absolutely love it. Just recently got back into vinyl after having nothing but vinyl when I was a kid growing up, then of course I went the way of cassette and cd. Just briefly, I am rocking a pair of JBL Century L100's which I love. They are the foundation of my system. I currently have a vintage Kenwood KR-8050 receiver. The tuner puts out beautiful sounds. I really want to keep the receiver for the tuner since I do enjoy listening to the radio every so often. The tt is a different story. Currently have a borrowed Technics SL-QL 15. The sound that it produces can only be described as flat. So, I am looking at making a tt purchase in the next month or so. A Rega RP 3 would be stretching my budget to the max. I am also looking at the Music Hall MMF 5.1. I have not seen many opinions on the MMF. Looking for some input/opinions please...thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajxd Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I was torn between the 1.3 and 5.1... The 5.1 seems like it should be the better table with the double price... But there is just not a lot to it. No completely isolated decoupled motor. Not a fan of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allenh Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 alright guys and girls. I have read this whole thread and absolutely love it. Just recently got back into vinyl after having nothing but vinyl when I was a kid growing up, then of course I went the way of cassette and cd. Just briefly, I am rocking a pair of JBL Century L100's which I love. They are the foundation of my system. I currently have a vintage Kenwood KR-8050 receiver. The tuner puts out beautiful sounds. I really want to keep the receiver for the tuner since I do enjoy listening to the radio every so often. The tt is a different story. Currently have a borrowed Technics SL-QL 15. The sound that it produces can only be described as flat. So, I am looking at making a tt purchase in the next month or so. A Rega RP 3 would be stretching my budget to the max. I am also looking at the Music Hall MMF 5.1. I have not seen many opinions on the MMF. Looking for some input/opinions please...thanks in advance With a turntable there are a lot of things that influence the sound, you are probably right about your Technics sounding flat but you do have to take the on board phono stage in your receiver and the cartridge you are using into account as well some other less influential things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snp304 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Yes, I did realize that. I am a little concerned about the phono stage for the receiver. I did have a Ion hooked up at one time(gasp) before I knew better and it sounded about the same, flat...which makes me think that maybe I should get a project carbon and a integrated amp instead of dropping a load on the Rega RP3.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allenh Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 you won't go far wrong with any of the Rega products and the arm has been pretty much an industry standard that you can use elsewhere for years but yes you do need everything to be of a similar standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuckinandsuckinandtouchin Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 They're in the TV racket now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinch Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share Posted September 16, 2014 such retro many want wow anthemforadoomed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eliminator Jr. Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 So I was pretty positive about purchasing the pro-ject debut III and just realized that the turntable itself is not 12", but 10". Although that's not a big deal at all, it just doesn't really fit to my personal visual preferences. I've read that the debut III E has is 12", but it comes with an automatic system and I am not into that either. Do any of you have recommendations on an alternative which might fit to the look and price of the debut III, but with a 12" turntable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mesi Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 So I was pretty positive about purchasing the pro-ject debut III and just realized that the turntable itself is not 12", but 10". Although that's not a big deal at all, it just doesn't really fit to my personal visual preferences. I've read that the debut III E has is 12", but it comes with an automatic system and I am not into that either. Do any of you have recommendations on an alternative which might fit to the look and price of the debut III, but with a 12" turntable? I'm having trouble following you: what about the Debut is 10'' in your opinion? The body of the turntable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajxd Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Visual preference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mesi Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Visual preference. I get that, but I am having trouble understanding what he means: does he mean that the Debut is a 10'' wide turntable, so that when you play a 12'' it hangs over on the side? If that is what he means, then that is clearly not the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eliminator Jr. Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I get that, but I am having trouble understanding what he means: does he mean that the Debut is a 10'' wide turntable, so that when you play a 12'' it hangs over on the side? If that is what he means, then that is clearly not the case. That is exactly what I mean. I've seen pictures of the debut iii which suggested that 12" records would hanger over the side about 2". I am not sure if that is the case, since I have only seen pictures online. Also not sure if it's the same with the debut carbon or any other models. So you say that is wrong and the turntable of the debut iii is indeed 12"? Then there would be no problem at all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mesi Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 That is exactly what I mean. I've seen pictures of the debut iii which suggested that 12" records would hanger over the side about 2". I am not sure if that is the case, since I have only seen pictures online. Also not sure if it's the same with the debut carbon or any other models. So you say that is wrong and the turntable of the debut iii is indeed 12"? Then there would be no problem at all!The platter on a Debut III is 12'', so the chassis of the turntable is even larger.This is from the product page (found here: http://www.project-audio.com/main.php?prod=debut) Depth (lid open) 400mm Height (lid open) 370mm Dimensions (lid open) 415 x 365 x 405mm Width Height Depth Dimensions (lid closed) 415 x 118 x 320mm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eliminator Jr. Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) Thanks a lot mate. Clears things up perfectly. Ordering soon! Edit: Damnit I am not through with this. Just read an amazon review and some guy mentioned that he changed the standard 10" platter to a 12" acrylic platter. Here it is: http://www.amazon.com/review/R106N5IAEQHIOS/ref=cm_cr_dp_title?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B001FUIQN2&nodeID=172282&store=electronics Edited September 19, 2014 by Eliminator Jr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mesi Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Thanks a lot mate. Clears things up perfectly. Ordering soon! Edit: Damnit I am not through with this. Just read an amazon review and some guy mentioned that he changed the standard 10" platter to a 12" acrylic platter. Here it is: http://www.amazon.com/review/R106N5IAEQHIOS/ref=cm_cr_dp_title?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B001FUIQN2&nodeID=172282&store=electronics Again, I''ll point you towards the product page on the Pro-ject website: Platter weight/diameter 1,3kg/280mm so It's pretty clear that this guy is talking nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eliminator Jr. Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 So I finally figured out what the damn problem is. The platter is 28cm, 12" records are 30cm. I know most people don't give a damn about those 2cm of vinyl hanging over the platter, but to me that's kinda off-putting. Oh well.. Thanks for all your help man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dethrock Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 So I finally figured out what the damn problem is. The platter is 28cm, 12" records are 30cm. I know most people don't give a damn about those 2cm of vinyl hanging over the platter, but to me that's kinda off-putting. Oh well.. Thanks for all your help man Save yourself the trouble, a Crosley might be a good option for you. cbbrew22 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eliminator Jr. Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Save yourself the trouble, a Crosley might be a good option for you. It's not that I solely care about visual components of a turntable dude, I just want things to be right for me. What's the point of paying 300 bucks for a turntable that I don't enjoy putting my records on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinch Posted September 19, 2014 Author Share Posted September 19, 2014 It's not that I solely care about visual components of a turntable dude, I just want things to be right for me. What's the point of paying 300 bucks for a turntable that I don't enjoy putting my records on. It seems to me that mesi either doesn't get what you're talking about, or doesn't know that you're right. The Debut III does in fact come with a 10" platter, not the 12" one. However, the Debut III Carbon comes with a 12" platter, a better tonearm and a better cart, and is overall more than worth the extra cost. There's also a Debut III Esprit, which comes with a 12" acrylic platter. I too think the 10" platter looks ridiculous, but I'm not even sure if that old model is even still available here in Europe. Here's the one you want: http://www.hifi-phono-house.com/Turntables/Pro-Ject-Turntable/Serie-Debut/Pro-Ject-Carbon-Premium-Plattenspieler--13306.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinch Posted September 19, 2014 Author Share Posted September 19, 2014 Actually, here they sell the Carbon DC version (upgraded motor basically) and you have many different options as to which cart you want to put on it: http://www.phonophono.de/phono/plattenspieler/pro-ject/pro-ject-debut-carbon.html If you go with the OM10 cart it's 346,80 €, if you choose the 2M Red it totals 396,80 €. Or the Esprit version which adds a 100 € acrylic platter for only 50 € more: http://www.phonophono.de/phono/plattenspieler/pro-ject/debut/pro-ject-debut-carbon-esprit.html If you go with the standard platter, take into consideration that the felt slipmats are really horrible, they produce lots of static and cling to the records when you take them off. The only solution is a different slipmat, but that will cost you at least 25 €. The acrylic platter gets rid of the necessity for a slipmat altogether, so you really need to calculate which option is the best bang for buck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eliminator Jr. Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Actually, here they sell the Carbon DC version (upgraded motor basically) and you have many different options as to which cart you want to put on it: http://www.phonophono.de/phono/plattenspieler/pro-ject/pro-ject-debut-carbon.html If you go with the OM10 cart it's 346,80 €, if you choose the 2M Red it totals 396,80 €. Thanks a lot for the help! That' around 100€ more than I expected, but I'm in if it's worth it. I am looking for a cartridge that minimizes inner groove distortion, since I was having problems with that on multiple occasions over the years. Which cart would you suggest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mesi Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I completely understand what he is talking about, but I just want to reassure him that it isn't half as bad as he is making it out to be. Point in case, I have a Debut iii Esprit, so the one with the acrylic platter. Platter dimensions are 280mm, just like the platter of the regular Debut (Can we agree on this?). My records are definitely not "hanging over" the side of platter at all, if so then only by a mere few mm. I'll post pics in a few minutes so you get my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eliminator Jr. Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I'll post pics in a few minutes so you get my point. That would be great,thanks! As I said, I am not sure if it is nearly as bad as I am making it out to be, since all I've seen are crappy pictures that didn't clarify anything to me concerning the platter at all. It just looks like at least 2cm of a 12" would hang over the platter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinch Posted September 19, 2014 Author Share Posted September 19, 2014 Platter dimensions are 280mm, just like the platter of the regular Debut (Can we agree on this?). Nah man, the acrylic platter measures 12" in diameter, the platter on the standard Debut measures 10" in diameter. But like I said, I don't think they even sell them anymore. Here's a video that kind of illustrates the "overhang" on the standard Debut 10" platter: It's tough to see, but once you see it it's hard to miss Edit: here's a pic that kind of succeeds in showing this: and here's one with the acrylic platter: the difference is quite obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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