shenanigans Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 I'm still waiting for that fucking Big Wig record to get released Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minor incident Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 If you don't want me to give Virgil money, you need to tell me how else to get Gamits records. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexH. Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 If you don't want me to give Virgil money, you need to tell me how else to get Gamits records. http://paperplastick.limitedrun.com/products/5015-the-gamits-parts-cd-lp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minor incident Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 http://paperplastick.limitedrun.com/products/5015-the-gamits-parts-cd-lp That's only one record (that I already own). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Exquisite Death of NK Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 I know nothing of this history... sounds like a sketchy dude. That said, everything I've won from SHR on eBay has been legit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexH. Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 That's only one record (that I already own). It's also the only Gamits record he's put out on vinyl, so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minor incident Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 It's also the only Gamits record he's put out on vinyl, so Endorsed By You? I honestly don't know what label put it out, but he sells it (on occasion). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxmartinxx Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 who is Virgil? is there a thread that explains this situation as i am confused. He was a guy who overextended himself in his business endeavors and people lost some money because of it. It was a shitty situation, but despite what may be said, he wasn't a con artist of Bernie Madoff proportions or anything. scottheisel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shenanigans Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 He was a guy who overextended himself in his business endeavors and people lost some money because of it. It was a shitty situation, but despite what may be said, he wasn't a con artist of Bernie Madoff proportions or anything. He was playing in a much smaller ball field, but I don't think to this day he's made up for it. There's still a lot of people that he owes money to and he continues to bullshit people and make promises that he doesn't follow through on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shitty Rambo Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Still want that fucking Houston, We Have A Drinking Problem record with the Acrophobe insert. konk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cside Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Still want that fucking Houston, We Have A Drinking Problem record with the Acrophobe insert. Acrophobe was the appetizer to the main course that's never coming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troymess Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 I'm still waiting for that fucking Big Wig record to get released ...and my $30 that was supposed to come with the LP as Co-op "share holder". That's money I'll never see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansislegend Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Damnit. I ordered the Thursday/Envy split on tape on Thursday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxmartinxx Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 He was playing in a much smaller ball field, but I don't think to this day he's made up for it. There's still a lot of people that he owes money to and he continues to bullshit people and make promises that he doesn't follow through on. I was unpopular in my criticism of the Co-op and now, ironically, I'm taking the unpopular stance of defending Virgil. I don't think he set out to screw people over, he was just shortsighted in offering things that were not sustainable. As someone who has owned a business, I understand how the fungibility of money turns into borrowing Peter to pay Paul which works until there's a hiccup in the cash flow at which point it all falls apart. This is why it's a bad idea to turn your customers into investors. It's very much akin to shitting where you eat. And while it doesn't feel any different to those people who lost money as someone who just set out to grab as much cash as they could before cutting bait and moving to a small island in the Caribbean, it is. scottheisel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shenanigans Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 I was unpopular in my criticism of the Co-op and now, ironically, I'm taking the unpopular stance of defending Virgil. I don't think he set out to screw people over, he was just shortsighted in offering things that were not sustainable. As someone who has owned a business, I understand how the fungibility of money turns into borrowing Peter to pay Paul which works until there's a hiccup in the cash flow at which point it all falls apart. This is why it's a bad idea to turn your customers into investors. It's very much akin to shitting where you eat. And while it doesn't feel any different to those people who lost money as someone who just set out to grab as much cash as they could before cutting bait and moving to a small island in the Caribbean, it is. Except that Virgil hasn't cut bait and moved to the Caribbean. He sold off the VC website but he's still selling records through his store and ebay and promising new records to people - and it's not like he's selling these records and slowly paying people back. No one should support this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drds89 Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 thanks for the heads up, I prob. unknowingly support enough thieves already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
konk Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 I'm hoping if a deal for all of the BA albums has already been signed, he doesn't keep Joey or anyone else from pressing them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxmartinxx Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Except that Virgil hasn't cut bait and moved to the Caribbean. He sold off the VC website but he's still selling records through his store and ebay and promising new records to people - and it's not like he's selling these records and slowly paying people back. No one should support this guy. Are you 100% sure that he hasn't made payments to anyone? Did he sell the Vinyl Collective messageboard to Shop Cast Radio? I assumed they just took it over for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 Are you 100% sure that he hasn't made payments to anyone? Did he sell the Vinyl Collective messageboard to Shop Cast Radio? I assumed they just took it over for him. We assumed he sold the site. Can't be sure. Will never be public knowledge. But it's not like he gifted his account to Juan (the main moderator at the time). It went to a distro business. At least it didn't end the site though. When he was really getting trashed on here he did threaten to just nuke this place. And Mike T got paid a couple months ago if there's anyone else he still owes a Co-Op refund to. He's not coming out publicly and saying that he's giving refunds but if you are owed and you ask, there is a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shitty Rambo Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 karma policehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfyCCR6Kn0Y&feature=youtube_gdata_player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smailtronic Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 He's not coming out publicly and saying that he's giving refunds but if you are owed and you ask, there is a chance. I'd be curious to hear from any of the labels that he owes. Sending out $60 here and there is no big deal. The people he owes thousands to, on the other hand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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